Speedway World Cup 2017

[Bald Bloke]

Woffy.You keep raking in your thousands each week.Letting your so called Brit mates down.Must be great when u do meet see them......If you ever do.Propper team spirit..I think not

Edited July 8, 2017 by Bald Bloke

[Col]

So Rosco's words of wisdom. If in doubt, ride the white line.... What a team manager, WTF were Cook & Lambert doing?

[Fromafar]

Simply because I KNOW SPEEDWAY as opposite to you. All speedway fans know that the top in speedway are: Poland, Australia, Denmark, Sweden and Russia.

Then GB.

Well you know best it seems,Bye!!

[GWC]

what happened to the 'ace' tuner GB employed a few years ago when last time it was in Poland?

Seem to recall they did ok then.

[Bald Bloke]

So Rosco's words of wisdom. If in doubt, ride the white line.... What a team manager, WTF were Cook & Lambert doing?

If the best Brit in years rode for his country.The UK would of walked into third and challenged for second

[RPNY]

So Rosco's words of wisdom. If in doubt, ride the white line.... What a team manager, WTF were Cook & Lambert doing?

Spot on

[allthegearbutnaeidea]

Simply because I KNOW SPEEDWAY as opposite to you. All speedway fans know that the top in speedway are: Poland, Australia, Denmark, Sweden and Russia.

Then GB.

That makes us sixth not fifth, but you just said that Latvia were ahead of us as well... stop spouting sh*te

[Starman2006]

Woffy.You keep raking in your thousands each week.Letting your so called Brit mates down.Must be great when u do meet see them......If you ever do.Propper team spirit..I think not

Get used to it, Woffy is not interested in riding in this country unless it suits. And calls himself BRITISH when it suits. I personally have no time for him.

[tyler42]

England were humiliated today. No question. Chris Harris rode his socks off, but his bike was not fast enough. Neither was any one elses. How can this be so?? This is not their first rodeo. There is a back up team. Why can they not get their bikes sorted? The Polish tracks are the same now as they have been for very many years...why do we continue to get it so wrong??

Why is it when a GB rider gets beat. We get the same old stock "The Bikes are not fast enough" Sorry but, Cook gets his engines done by PJR and has won two GP qualifiers not sure of Bomber but, He's been a GP rider for ten years plus, so his kit can't be that bad and he did beat Dudek who is co - leading the world championships! Maybe just maybe they are not just good enough, has that never crossed peoples minds?

 

As for the posters who say "The poles engines are big" Got no idea really. If that's the case. Lindback must be riding a 750!!!

[RPNY]

Why is it when a GB rider gets beat. We get the same old stock "The Bikes are not fast enough" Sorry but, Cook gets his engines done by PJR and has won two GP qualifiers not sure of Bomber but, He's been a GP rider for ten years plus, so his kit can't be that bad and he did beat Dudek who is co - leading the world championships! Maybe just maybe they are not just good enough, has that never crossed peoples minds?

 

As for the posters who say "The poles engines are big" Got no idea really. If that's the case. Lindback must be riding a 750!!!

Great post, speaking a lot of sense

Edited July 8, 2017 by RPNYC

[Col]

If the best Brit in years rode for his country.The UK would of walked into third and chnearallenged for second

 

Woffinden would not have got us anywhere near Sweden. Unless Eastbourne's diabolically shaped track hosts a GP final Poland are not going to be beaten with that quartet.

[Chris]

Predictable. No one will touch Poland for years now. Maybe the Aussies in 3/4 years time with Kurtz, Holder & Fricke, but the conveyor belt looks frightening in Polish speedway. Everything is on a different level compared with the rest of the leagues.

 

GB expected. Clueless on these sorts of proper speedway tracks. Bikes aren't fast enough, ride the wrong lines & look as though they have no idea about set ups.

 

Cook embarrassing. Looked as if they were sh1tting themselves the first four heats with the occasion and crowd.

 

Let's be honest, if we weren't always drawn at home against crap oppo then we're 6/7th in the world. Let's see how we do if we are at an away track next year in round one without the Aussies & the USA.

 

Rosco has had it nice these past two years with a bye to the final & Woffinden claiming silver on his own & this year with a dire oppo in a home 1st round.

 

If our best rider is refusing to ride because of him then it's best he steps down.

Edited July 9, 2017 by Chris

[RPNY]

Predictable. No one will touch Poland for years now. Maybe the Aussies in 3/4 years time with Kurtz, Holder & Fricke, but the conveyor belt looks frightening in Polish speedway. Everything is on a different level compared with the rest of the leagues.

GB expected. Clueless on these sorts of proper speedway tracks. Bikes aren't fast enough, ride the wrong lines & look as though they have no idea about set ups.

Cook embarrassing. Looked as if they were sh1tting themselves the first four heats with the occasion and crowd.

Let's be honest, if we weren't always drawn at home against crap oppo then we're 6/7th in the world. Let's see how we do if we are at an away track next year in round one without the Aussies & the USA.

Rosco has had it nice these past two years with a bye to the final & Woffinden claiming silver on his own & this year with a dire oppo in a home 1st round.

If our best rider is refusing to ride because of him then it's best he steps down.

Absolutely correct from top to bottom sir

[RobMcCaffery]

One race away from a bronze medal and denied by a Emil Sayfutdinov. Yes, how embarrassing and humiliating - if you want it to be.

 

I'm sure the Aussies, Danes, Latvians, Czechs, Americans, Germans, Italians and French are all laughing at us.

 

With the exception of Harris that GB team was crucially lacking in experience of riding on Polish Ekstraliga tracks like Leszno.. The difference to Britain is now enormous - the need for sheer speed rather than technical skills is a huge difference. Again, except for Harris who fought his heart out that is internationally a very inexperienced team which, given Woffinden's betrayal did damn well to get so close to the rostrum.

 

Of course a view like that doesn't suit the 'sky is falling in' mentality of too many on the BSF.

 

Well done to the Poles, but I was surprised it took them so long to confirm the win. They come across as a great bunch of guys and deserve success, which to be fair if they hadn't achieved there would have been hell to pay.

 

I saw the great years of British speedway. It's the Poles' turn now, but nothing lasts forever in sport. Let's get on with our domestic rebuilding, bring through the promising young riders and....be patient!

Edited July 9, 2017 by Rob McCaffery

[tyler42]

 

With the exception of Harris that GB team was crucially lacking in experience of riding on Polish Ekstraliga tracks like Leszno.. The difference to Britain is now enormous - the need for sheer speed rather than technical skills is a huge difference. Again, except for Harris who fought his heart out that is internationally a very inexperienced team which, given Woffinden's betrayal did damn well to get so close to the rostrum.

 

 

Leszno's track is 330 meters. Belle Vue is 347 meters and Kings Lynn is 342 meters. Regarding KL it's fair to say it does not have wide sweeping bends like Leszno but, Belle Vue is the closest to any of the big Polish Tracks. Cook and Worral both ride Belle Vue. Lambert KL whereas Bomber has been a round long enough to have had the experience of riding all over Europe.

 

To ride Belle Vue would require no more technical skill or sheer speed than Leszno as both are very similar as in lots of different lines and speed. KL slightly different but, imo I don't think the poles would have too much trouble adapting. As for technical skills are you suggesting the GB boys are superior to the Poles?

 

I also saw the great teams England had from the 70's and I agree everything goes round. So how long do you think before Team GB are back on top?

Edited July 9, 2017 by tyler42

[OveFundinFan]

Another good meeting and as far as watching speedway riders go I enjoyed it.

Was their a difference between the track prep from Friday to Saturday? Its just that all the Russians were more into it on Friday - Emil 15, Cug Cug 11 etc, but they didnt seem to have the same "go" in them - tiredness maybe. Friday Chugunov was gating well, so was Emil, but Saturday..... Yes I know the opposition was better quality on Saturday, but still Russia lacking.

 

Team GB (yes I like the name) was not fully prepared for that meeting IMO. Perhaps one of the negatives of going straight to the final thus lack of track knowledge. Poor management from the top of British speedway, they all want sacking. How on earth does any country expect its young riders to get to the top of the international scene without experience of riding international circuits with other riders from various countries.

Chris Harris tried as hard as ever does, but we know he coming to an end of his international career, but 10 out of 10 for his whole souled efforts.

Stevie Worrel came good at the end. He really did take a bite of the cherry and gave it all he got and he deserves a BIG pat on the back, mixing it with top world class riders. Those races will stand him well for the future - and like he said "thats the best race that I have finished last". Yes, deserved more then 0 points, should have been 2.

Cookie and Robert, not on it at all sadly. Cookie in his last race off 4 took the high line on bend 1-2, like others had, but didnt seem to know what to do with it and lost ground, unlike other riders getting an advantage from it. Put it all down to lack of experience.

 

What goes round comes round. Poles are ruling the roost at the moment, but it wont last forever, but if its Team GB that does the challenging then there has to be a massive change in attitude at the very top of British speedway is required and it is required NOW

[Sidney the robin]

The issue with Lambert is he's doing what Cook did. Happily plodding along in the PL (Championship), ok fair play he is having a go in Sweden and Poland but doesn't scoring big points in the PL give him too big a sense of self worth?

 

The making of Doyle was having the PL safety net taken away. Maybe Cook and Lambert need the same. About 4 years ago the BSPA brought in a "dobling up for 2 years only" rule, amazingly 2 years later they dropped it. Had they not then Cook and Lambert would be riding full time EL (Premiersip) now. Cook I have a little sympathy for, it was one bad meeting after two great meeting in the GP qualifiers but scoring easy points on the weekends can't help them step up when it comes to the SWC.

 

Why can the Swedes, Russians and Latvians step up when they have to but Brits rarely do? People are getting excited about Worrall and he did a little better than expected but he's still some way off being where we need him to do - but in his defence his career is moving forward year after year (that one terrible year just before the draft aside) and seemed to change his lines and style as the track changed tonight.

 

Anyway, good to hear Rosco say he's got a few meetings lined up for us in Poland in 2018.

 

 

edit - I feel Ive been a bit harsh in Worrall in this post reading it back. He did a good job tonight., He should be congratulated for that, he shoved his middle finger up at those who doubted his team place this week. And Im pleased for him. He was always the obvious choice.

Your point about Doyle it is total nonsense when Doyley doubled up he took in loads of racing kept fit ie) he had a troublesome shoulder got his confidence up and that helped to invest in his aquipment,Steve Worrall another example has rode three tiers of British speedway it has not done him any harm now Worrall needs more European action chuffed for him tonight.Lambert is another one only 19 his achilles heel is his GATING at this level it is going to be hard but he is quality his time will come.Going back to Doyle he is where he is now because he is a quality rider and nothing to do with having that safety net taken away without the PL he would not be at the level he is now. Edited July 9, 2017 by Sidney the robin

[ray c]

No. IMHO you're fifth behind Russia and Latvia

And speedway whatsoever,

as somebody said before lets have the final at monmore or lakeside and see if poland win that one

[g13webb]

It appears, I'm not so forgiving as most posters on here. We are looking for excuses of why we didn't perform, and in all honesty I feel riders like Cook and Lambert were a big let down. We didn't expect then to be challenging for honours but we did expect better than tailing off at the back. This was the pinnacle of this years racing, the biggest shop window you could ask for, and both reacted like 'Rabbits in the headlights' on the biggest stage of all. This has to go down to bad preparation. and attitude. It was never going to be easy, and any results would have to be fought, long and hard. and any ideas that this was like a normal meeting were in for a rude awakening... Robert did rise to the expected standard in his last race, but it was only equivalent of shutting the door after the horse had bolted. Had he shown this energy earlier probably we could have rescued the bronze medal. When Cook was interviewed on the Tele, he said the team were together and confident of doing well. they were there on Friday to watch a learn. He obviously didn't watch too much and learnt even less... We know Cook and Lambert are better riders than this and that is why I feel they let us down big-time...

Full marks to Bomber and Worrall who can hold their heads up for at least making a fight of it, I always thought Bomber would be competitive from the experience he has gained over the years. but Worrall to me was our Star Performer. Never having rode on this stage before, he rose to the occasion to mix with the best. a brilliant effort. Had the others shown similar attitude we would've walked that 3rd place.

There can be no joy in coming last in any competition, Yeah, some say we finished 4th in the world, better than some more distinguished countries, but we were only there by the luck of the draw and beating a injury savaged Aussie team, Surely there can be no celebration in that.....

[stewmac]

Wonderful meeting to watch once again. Others have pointed out team GB's weaknesses but for me it was simply awesome to see a totally packed out stadium with an incredible atmosphere, along with some quite stunning racing. Real, proper speedway out of the top drawer.

Let's just face up to the reality. Speedway in the UK is a complete joke. A nonentity compared to that which the lucky Poles witness week in week out. God, it's just incredible to watch. Equally incredible to witness are the reactions of folk on here who just don't get it. We are not on the same planet as these top guys from Polska. Don't even pretend we are. Our whole psyche is wrong. They want to win far more than we do. Their mindset is different. They're fitter. They're faster. They're better. Their equipment is superior. In every single department they are light years ahead of us.

Admitting that is the first step to changing our position.