waytogo28 Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 GRW 123 said " Full marks to Bomber and Worrall who can hold their heads up for at least making a fight of it, I always thought Bomber would be competitive from the experience he has gained over the years. but Worrall to me was our Star Performer. Never having rode on this stage before, he rose to the occasion to mix with the best. a brilliant effort. Had the others shown similar attitude we would've walked that 3rd place." How right he is that the Bronze medal was well within the grasp of Team GB if only Lambert had displayed his true competitive nature in his first rides and not only in that final one ( where he looked a different rider ). Cook never showed up at all and was not even a pale shadow of his true self in any of his rides. He brought nothing to the team, for all his "talk' - even when he gated with people he went backwards quickly. Lambert and Cook did not seem to "want" it very much or were unable to demonstrate that they did. I don't think any other GB riders would have done better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) Wonderful meeting to watch once again. Others have pointed out team GB's weaknesses but for me it was simply awesome to see a totally packed out stadium with an incredible atmosphere, along with some quite stunning racing. Real, proper speedway out of the top drawer. Let's just face up to the reality. Speedway in the UK is a complete joke. A nonentity compared to that which the lucky Poles witness week in week out. God, it's just incredible to watch. Equally incredible to witness are the reactions of folk on here who just don't get it. We are not on the same planet as these top guys from Polska. Don't even pretend we are. Our whole psyche is wrong. They want to win far more than we do. Their mindset is different. They're fitter. They're faster. They're better. Their equipment is superior. In every single department they are light years ahead of us. Admitting that is the first step to changing our position. This post says it all for me spot on the Poles are at a different level to everybody else they are a pleasure to watch Pawlicki is my favourite he is so frustrating but on his day he is mighty quick. Edited July 9, 2017 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countershaftcounter Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 watched last night and kept thinking .... he'll give Ellis a skid soon. There's no point in taking the lad there "to give him experience" if you're not even going to try him when the others are failing so bad ? The poor lads confidence must be shot to pieces 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 What Team GB also need is a series of tutorials with Jason Doyle as to why he now believes fully in himself and what steps he took to make the step up that Lambert and Cook must do ( not too late for Cook if he gets on with it ) and it is essential for Lambert that he learns from the best. He really can make that step up to world class. Hopefully JD knows what it took for him AND is able to pass on the key elements of it ( that would still need to be adapted for each individual rider's style and personality ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 watched last night and kept thinking .... he'll give Ellis a skid soon. There's no point in taking the lad there "to give him experience" if you're not even going to try him when the others are failing so bad ? The poor lads confidence must be shot to piecesYou are joking- confidence shot to pieces, all about a learning experience for him and he would have practised yesterday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 Leszno's track is 330 meters. Belle Vue is 347 meters and Kings Lynn is 342 meters. Regarding KL it's fair to say it does not have wide sweeping bends like Leszno but, Belle Vue is the closest to any of the big Polish Tracks. Cook and Worral both ride Belle Vue. Lambert KL whereas Bomber has been a round long enough to have had the experience of riding all over Europe. To ride Belle Vue would require no more technical skill or sheer speed than Leszno as both are very similar as in lots of different lines and speed. KL slightly different but, imo I don't think the poles would have too much trouble adapting. As for technical skills are you suggesting the GB boys are superior to the Poles? I also saw the great teams England had from the 70's and I agree everything goes round. So how long do you think before Team GB are back on top? With Bewley, Smith, ZW, JPB added to Lambert ( as the Harris figure ) 5 -7 years assuming that Poland etc stand still. With Chugunov Russia now likely have another world class rider and others coming along. We might be able to compete on a more equal basis then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 It appears, I'm not so forgiving as most posters on here. We are looking for excuses of why we didn't perform, and in all honesty I feel riders like Cook and Lambert were a big let down. We didn't expect then to be challenging for honours but we did expect better than tailing off at the back. This was the pinnacle of this years racing, the biggest shop window you could ask for, and both reacted like 'Rabbits in the headlights' on the biggest stage of all. This has to go down to bad preparation. and attitude. It was never going to be easy, and any results would have to be fought, long and hard. and any ideas that this was like a normal meeting were in for a rude awakening... Robert did rise to the expected standard in his last race, but it was only equivalent of shutting the door after the horse had bolted. Had he shown this energy earlier probably we could have rescued the bronze medal. When Cook was interviewed on the Tele, he said the team were together and confident of doing well. they were there on Friday to watch a learn. He obviously didn't watch too much and learnt even less... We know Cook and Lambert are better riders than this and that is why I feel they let us down big-time... Full marks to Bomber and Worrall who can hold their heads up for at least making a fight of it, I always thought Bomber would be competitive from the experience he has gained over the years. but Worrall to me was our Star Performer. Never having rode on this stage before, he rose to the occasion to mix with the best. a brilliant effort. Had the others shown similar attitude we would've walked that 3rd place. There can be no joy in coming last in any competition, Yeah, some say we finished 4th in the world, better than some more distinguished countries, but we were only there by the luck of the draw and beating a injury savaged Aussie team, Surely there can be no celebration in that..... With you with regards to Cook as he should have been way better, at the very least on a par with Worrall which would have seen 3rd place sealed. With regards to Lambert, people keep saying he's got time on his side, no he hasn't. He's 19 and still can't gate, as harsh as it is he's just your average British Speedway double-upper. Chuganov is 17 and way better and nobody has had of him before. If anything was proven last night, we're gonna struggle for many many years for another world class rider to come through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 I saw the great years of British speedway. It's the Poles' turn now, but nothing lasts forever in sport. Let's get on with our domestic rebuilding, bring through the promising young riders and....be patient! Domestic rebuilding?? Have the organising body issued a policy on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 Domestic rebuilding?? Have the organising body issued a policy on this? Why would the promoters want to push our youth to the world stage, it would mean British rider's would demand higher wages. Keep them rubbish then when it comes to the World Cup British rider's will know their demands on wages to not be substantial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill94d Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 Seldom have I read such common ground in a thread. We may have our minor differences but the overwhelming feeling is of disappointment and shame, about the organisation and preparation for this event. Hopefully it is a wake up call to the powers that be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 Team GBs performance aside , it was actually a great meeting to,watch with some terrific racing . I never expected us to be up there challenging for the gold but I did think we'd perform better than we did , Cook & Lambert must be very disappointed with their own performances last night both of them never looked like even being able to compete . Well done to Poland on a deserved victory, as for us we're a long way behind and by the time we reach where Poland , Russia and the others are they'll have moved on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 What Team GB also need is a series of tutorials with Jason Doyle as to why he now believes fully in himself and what steps he took to make the step up that Lambert and Cook must do ( not too late for Cook if he gets on with it ) and it is essential for Lambert that he learns from the best. He really can make that step up to world class. Hopefully JD knows what it took for him AND is able to pass on the key elements of it ( that would still need to be adapted for each individual rider's style and personality ) no thanks .we dont need any lessons on how to be a bully and a bigheaded mardy arse , we need lessons form the Poles of how bully the likes of Doyle back ,but keep out of the hospital unlike him Seldom have I read such common ground in a thread. We may have our minor differences but the overwhelming feeling is of disappointment and shame, about the organisation and preparation for this event. Hopefully it is a wake up call to the powers that be. don't count me in your common ground , we have chucked far too many resources training journeymen Aussies and other assorted foreigners , instead of concentrating on our own lads , I'm not 1 bit dissapointed that lads who have made it to their level against the odds couldn't hack it against teams and fans whose country actually support its own riders in preference to foreigners 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 And what? Russians and Latvians are damn near the same country. All the Latvians speak Russian, many consider themselves Russian. Of course they'd collude. Slavic blood brothers. No big deal. Utter rubbish. Ethnic Latvians are not even Slavic. The average Latvian has no love for the Russians at all, who they consider invaded and occupied their country. The difference in speedway is that Daugavpils is a largely Russian city. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bream Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 Team GB, guys are sitting on the fuel tank when exiting bends. Funny to read that "poles got better engines". Poles and top swedes, russians are just brave hitting bends hanging at the rear of the seat in straight lines accelerating until the very end before hitting sideways. Very aggressive technique to enter bends. Mentally very tough, cant have any doubts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Bear Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 The whole GB performance is down to the league set up . We now have 2 leagues of virtually the same strength , riders DU /DD what do you expect . All of them last night ride in both leagues , be fair in the Championship the lower ends are a bit weaker therefore easy points for these riders. No matter what Messrs Pearson & Tatum may say we do not have a single GB rider competing in our leagues who is good enough to compete in th GP circus. We have to allow the top league to build sides with a higher limit. The DU/DD must stop. The only way to give the riders extra rides is to go back to 13 heats & bring back 2nd halves. After watching last night is it not clear that the reason our riders do not ride in the Polish top leagues is that they are not good enough. When Robert Lambert came on the scene he was touted as a potential world beater , be fair not in the same class as the young poles. Lebedevs was discarded by Kings Lynn , over the past week are there any Lynn riders who could match him Lastly well done to Chris Harris & Steve Worrall who at least competed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 no thanks .we dont need any lessons on how to be a bully and a bigheaded mardy arse , we need lessons form the Poles of how bully the likes of Doyle back ,but keep out of the hospital unlike him don't count me in your common ground , we have chucked far too many resources training journeymen Aussies and other assorted foreigners , instead of concentrating on our own lads , I'm not 1 bit dissapointed that lads who have made it to their level against the odds couldn't hack it against teams and fans whose country actually support its own riders in preference to foreigners Total crap where is this Bully boy rubbish coming from i see Doyle as just a commited rider no more than that.We will see at the end of the season when he is at least on the rostrum and he will more and likely will be No 1 he deserves it after last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 The Poles are likely to dominate the World Cup for a number of years. Sweden have 3 very experienced riders who are ageing..... no signs of young Swedish riders coming through that may compete at the hoghest level. Denmark have good young riders but nobody who looks likely to dominate in the SGP. Team GB have riders who have very limited European experience apart from Chris Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill94d Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 Speedybee wrote " don't count me in your common ground , we have chucked far too many resources training journeymen Aussies and other assorted foreigners , instead of concentrating on our own lads , I'm not 1 bit dissapointed that lads who have made it to their level against the odds couldn't hack it against teams and fans whose country actually support its own riders in preference to foreigners " Doesn't that count as a failure of organisation and preparation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 No. IMHO you're fifth behind Russia and Latvia And speedway whatsoever, Simply because I KNOW SPEEDWAY as opposite to you. All speedway fans know that the top in speedway are: Poland, Australia, Denmark, Sweden and Russia. Then GB. Not sure maths is your strong point then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scunny2012 Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 Leszno's track is 330 meters. Belle Vue is 347 meters and Kings Lynn is 342 meters. Regarding KL it's fair to say it does not have wide sweeping bends like Leszno but, Belle Vue is the closest to any of the big Polish Tracks. Cook and Worral both ride Belle Vue. Lambert KL whereas Bomber has been a round long enough to have had the experience of riding all over Europe. To ride Belle Vue would require no more technical skill or sheer speed than Leszno as both are very similar as in lots of different lines and speed. KL slightly different but, imo I don't think the poles would have too much trouble adapting. As for technical skills are you suggesting the GB boys are superior to the Poles? I also saw the great teams England had from the 70's and I agree everything goes round. So how long do you think before Team GB are back on top? A very long time before GB riders are back on top, they seem to reach a certain standard, Woffinden apart and stay there, the worrying part is that Poland could have put out 3 different teams and won it as they didn't even have their Polish champion Wozniak and runner up the other Pawlicki + Hampel, Kaspazack etc etc so yes a long time before we ever see the golden years of the 70's ps a good start would be different manager than Rossiter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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