spin king Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Okay, I'll play the curmudgeon( of no one else will come out and say some things that need to be said about tonight's meeting, I will do it. When Sheffield last visited Brough Park they stank the place out. Their team tonight bore no relation to that one and was not in any sense the Sheffield team. If you ever wonder why this sport is on its knees, look no further than nights like tonight. For Roy to say that this was like one of the great nights of Speedway in the past beggars belief - this was an artificial meeting which produced an artificial result. Right now my daughter is telling me that she doesn't want to come back because in Speedway, cheating is okay ( we are both season ticket holder is, as are my son and stepson). Perhaps some of the members of the "the riders are all heroes and can do no wrong" and "there is no alternative to guests" brigades would help me with convincing her to come with me next week. Go on, I'm listening. I don't think that Sheffield fans are making anymore of this than it was a Sheffield select side that came to Brough Park, and got a result. In saying that no Sheffield fan gave the patched up side a cat in hells chance even before wheel was turned Guest rider or not. Yes we had 4 riders missing. The top two were injured and have not ridden since their injures which happen after the cut off for signing riders so we could not sign replacements for those riders. The other two missing were riding in the same meeting as Robert Lambert which was an FIM meeting and they are honour bound to ride in that meeting. I can understand the frustration but there is not much more we could have done. End of the day I think Newcastle should have had enough fire power to overcome 6 point lead that we had, but they didn't. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erniew Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 I have to agree with Terrace Grumbler, It's a farce when a side can import 3 riders who can go better on an away track than their own riders, that and R/R (for which you can also use said guests) makes a team unrecognisable from the one that should have been there. It's like Hartlepool FC having a second rate striker unavailable and being able to 'borrow' Lionel Messi for 1 game. Joke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 I have to agree with Terrace Grumbler, It's a farce when a side can import 3 riders who can go better on an away track than their own riders, that and R/R (for which you can also use said guests) makes a team unrecognisable from the one that should have been there. It's like Hartlepool FC having a second rate striker unavailable and being able to 'borrow' Lionel Messi for 1 game. Joke! Very much like the team that Newcastle rolled up with at Sheffield last season. The only difference was we had two injured riders Newcastle had none. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Lambert's absence costs them in the League Cup and now in the Playoffs as well.Could cost us in K.O.Cup aswell as he is due to miss the 1st leg of the semi final at Rye House next Saturday due to the ELRC Edited October 2, 2016 by KEITH M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acclennell Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Okay, I'll play the curmudgeon( of no one else will come out and say some things that need to be said about tonight's meeting, I will do it. When Sheffield last visited Brough Park they stank the place out. Their team tonight bore no relation to that one and was not in any sense the Sheffield team. If you ever wonder why this sport is on its knees, look no further than nights like tonight. For Roy to say that this was like one of the great nights of Speedway in the past beggars belief - this was an artificial meeting which produced an artificial result. Right now my daughter is telling me that she doesn't want to come back because in Speedway, cheating is okay ( we are both season ticket holder is, as are my son and stepson). Perhaps some of the members of the "the riders are all heroes and can do no wrong" and "there is no alternative to guests" brigades would help me with convincing her to come with me next week. Go on, I'm listening. It's why I packed in 3 year ago and not been since and won't be until major changes have occurred (not hokding my breath as the rules get worse each season not better). Team was still more than strong enough to win but apart from AM and VP later on I think the rest need to have a long hard look at themselves. SW and RL have been missing far too many times this season (not their fault it's the rules) and it's something which has to be looked at next year. Could rant on and say a few things but all I will say is well done Sheffield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Well done Sheffield they wanted it more than our team tonight& a few Diamond Riders went missing& where not upping the game at vital times.Good Luck to Sheffield in the next round. Could cost us in K.O.Cup aswell as he is due to miss the 1st leg of the semi final at Rye House next Saturday due to the ELRC I think Kennett is missing as well on the Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner47 Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Okay, I'll play the curmudgeon( of no one else will come out and say some things that need to be said about tonight's meeting, I will do it. When Sheffield last visited Brough Park they stank the place out. Their team tonight bore no relation to that one and was not in any sense the Sheffield team. If you ever wonder why this sport is on its knees, look no further than nights like tonight. For Roy to say that this was like one of the great nights of Speedway in the past beggars belief - this was an artificial meeting which produced an artificial result. Right now my daughter is telling me that she doesn't want to come back because in Speedway, cheating is okay ( we are both season ticket holder is, as are my son and stepson). Perhaps some of the members of the "the riders are all heroes and can do no wrong" and "there is no alternative to guests" brigades would help me with convincing her to come with me next week. Go on, I'm listening. Fully understand how you're feeling, I think I'd be as gutted if it had happened to my team. We all know guests are a necessary evil, but it must be hard to take when your season ends against a made up team like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC71 Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) I was a bit concerned tonight. Although we've still been winning well at home, there have been some warning signs recently with Victor not seeming to be able to find the right set up and Lindgren also looking a little down on pace. Worrall has also not been quite as consistent out of the starts in recent weeks. Throw in the absence of the in-form Lambert and the limited choice of guests and the presence of Wells, Branford and Kerr who as a trio looked stronger than Stead, Bates and particularly Berge and then a close contest looked possible. As it was the track was a gaters paradise (as they tend to be at this time of year) and Sheffield simply left the Diamonds at the taps time and time again. Even Kus, who has been flying out of the starts, couldn't get out tonight and the writing looked on the wall early on. In those conditions Robson was always likely to struggle and so it proved with his 5 points a paltry return for Lambert. No complaints from me about the guests. We've had to use a lot of guests ourselves on our travels this year so we can hardly complain. My only question would be were the promotion a little complacent here? Interesting that Wells was guesting for Sheffield when he could have been guesting for us. Presumably Sheffield got there first? Or maybe we just assumed we'd win anyway. We also agreed to this match knowing Sheffield would be missing riders who struggle here and guests would probably make them stronger. Appreciate that we are running out of time but arguably we would have more chance if this meeting had been held tomorrow night as Sheffield would have been weaker but again perhaps we thought victory was a formality. Whatever we should have done the job here regardless but on the night we were a pale shadow of the team we've been all season. A real shame that the riders didn't perform on the crucial night having been so consistently good all year. Congratulations to Sheffield. Unfortunately this was a great result for Glasgow. At full strength (with Lambert and with Victor on the right bike from the start of the night) I still think we could have given Glasgow a run for their money but I can't see Sheffield getting anywhere near them. Of course we might still get to meet Glasgow in the Cup Final but we'll have to be a lot sharper than we were tonight for that to happen. Edited October 2, 2016 by NJC71 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Newcastle have probably used guests as much as anyone else this season and alot more than most teams so they cant moan losing to a sheffield select imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC71 Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 I don't think that Sheffield fans are making anymore of this than it was a Sheffield select side that came to Brough Park, and got a result. In saying that no Sheffield fan gave the patched up side a cat in hells chance even before wheel was turned Guest rider or not. Yes we had 4 riders missing. The top two were injured and have not ridden since their injures which happen after the cut off for signing riders so we could not sign replacements for those riders. The other two missing were riding in the same meeting as Robert Lambert which was an FIM meeting and they are honour bound to ride in that meeting. I can understand the frustration but there is not much more we could have done. End of the day I think Newcastle should have had enough fire power to overcome 6 point lead that we had, but they didn't. Totally agree. Not Sheffield's fault. Newcastle agreed to the fixture knowing that riders would be missing and guests would make them stronger. It isn't great but to be fair the rider who had the biggest impact on the night was Howarth not the guests. As you say none of this should have mattered. Newcastle were strong enough to get the job done but just didn't perform. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cue Ball Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 An unbelievable result! Agreed it is a slightly hollow victory given our guest heavy team, but a win is a win. Also, I don't recall any comments from Newcastle fans about our top 2 being missing in the first leg being unfair. That said, do feel sorry for the Geordies who must have thought that this was going to be a stroll through to the next round (maybe that was the problem?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrace Grumbler Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Spinny, I'm certainly not having a go at Sheffield supporters - your promotion played the rules and I imagine they would have been criticised if they hadn't. I don't have anything more to add to my earlier post: I feel that I've watched a series of walkovers this season and have had a chance to see some competitive speedway in the last month of the season denied by a system that frankly reeks. I'm also tired of being told that a meeting is great (tonight, the PLRC, for example) when even a moron in a hurry can see that they were anything but. Self-delusion iwill be the death of this sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 My only question would be were the promotion a little complacent here? Interesting that Wells was guesting for Sheffield when he could have been guesting for us. Presumably Sheffield got there first? Or maybe we just assumed we'd win anyway. We also agreed to this match knowing Sheffield would be missing riders who struggle here and guests would probably make them stronger. Appreciate that we are running out of time but arguably we would have more chance if this meeting had been held tomorrow night as Sheffield would have been weaker but again perhaps we thought victory was a formality. That is correct. Well done Sheffield (Select or otherwise). We dropped points when it mattered most tonight and that was the difference between an aggregate win and an aggregate defeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Max Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 No point moaning about line ups - bottom line we were beaten (on aggregate) by the better team The big issue is the make up of our team and having to get guests so often, also George's love in with Robbo !! we have not progressed in League cup and now league because we haven't ridden with our proper team (not a complaint or moan just stating a fact) and that was something we knew was going to happen all too often this season! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Very much like the team that Newcastle rolled up with at Sheffield last season. The only difference was we had two injured riders Newcastle had none. 2 injured riders? Stead and? Let's be fair - you, me and everyone else knows Garrity isn't injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrace Grumbler Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Well, I was going to go to bed until I read some of the views on here. Is it only Mr. (I assume- sorry if not!) Clennell and I who can see appears to be happening? Look Mummy, the Emperor 's got no clothes! Ask yourself this. Would Sky have been willing to televise that meeting and explain to those outside the Masonic fraternity that most of the Sheffield team had been replaced by ringers? As for it being sour grapes...nah, it's not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max the rebel Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Mistake was made not having rr in place of rose bring in morris should of had Pav at reserve and bingo big mistake by Mr English Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erniew Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 In defence of my previous post, I have no issues with Sheffield. My observations were directed at the system, not at any individual team. I must question Georges thinking when he arranges For Robbo to come in to replace one of the top No. 1's in the league. with all due respect to him his best days are behind him and asking him to fill in at No.1 was asking too much. Hope fully next weekend will see our season continue, however, if we don't improve It's a long cold winter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DW Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Can't see Glasgow going to Sheffield on Thursday as that would give us 4 matches in 4 days. Also the LC final is pencilled in for next Sunday so 2nd leg isn't going to be until the week after Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC71 Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 In defence of my previous post, I have no issues with Sheffield. My observations were directed at the system, not at any individual team. I must question Georges thinking when he arranges For Robbo to come in to replace one of the top No. 1's in the league. with all due respect to him his best days are behind him and asking him to fill in at No.1 was asking too much. Hope fully next weekend will see our season continue, however, if we don't improve It's a long cold winter. There were very few options. No guests can be used from play-off teams so only riders from Scunthorpe, Berwick, Workington, Redcar, Plymouth and Peterborough could be considered. Wells was the obvious one but seemingly Sheffield were quicker off the mark there, so of those teams riders Robbo was probably the best choice. Kyle Newman or maybe Lasse Bjerre would have been others to think about but Robbo was decent when Rye House were last here. Maybe lack of meetings and his usual poor gating let him down tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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