Belle Vue Vs Wolves, Grand Final 2nd Leg, 5/10/16...

[theblueboy]

 

 

 

Woffindens inclusion in the Wolves team was for one reason only. To strengthen up for the playoffs. No other reason.

 

Poole had the change forced on them when Andersen badly broke his hand. He attempted to ride again but hasn't ridden since. One change tactical, one an injury replacement. Think its clear one team gained hugely while te other team never covered the injuries suitably

 

Can anyone help me finish off the BSF crossword?

 

Hard: 4 down. To munch excessively on sour grapes; To Shovlar (5,5,5)

 

Easy: 3 chocolate bars...

 

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[Bruiser McHuge]

I never said Tai shouldn't ride in Britain..after all my brother in law was a rider so I know that speedway is an individual sport masquerading as a team sport and a rider should do what is most beneficial to them ..no problems with that....he should ride for GB though !!!..

But he can't complain that after making those decisions he gets a lot of stick from the crowd..that can't come as a surprise to him surely..

But I was saying that it's good for speedway to have a villain character ..it's been lacking for years ..Tai doesn't have to be popular ..he just has to be a rider that fans want to watch whatever their reason ..and that's got to be good for the sport

I never said Tai shouldn't ride in Britain..after all my brother in law was a rider so I know that speedway is an individual sport masquerading as a team sport and a rider should do what is most beneficial to them ..one problems with that....he should ride for GB though !!!..

But he can't complain that after making those decisions he gets a lot of stick from the crowd..that can't come as a surprise to him surely..

But I was saying that it's good for speedway to have a villain character ..it's been lacking for years ..Tai doesn't have to be popular ..he just has to be a rider that fans want to watch whatever their reason ..and that's got to be good for the sport

Edited October 8, 2016 by Bruiser McHuge

[nw42]

 

 

no one knows what Woffy did or didn't hear. Maybe he was already riled by the excessive booing. Either way he had the last laugh.

 

 

 

Aces fans/Aces fan.does it matter? Comment was despicable, the who are ya comments is going to wind anyone up. However the result is more important, wolves and Woffy won, Aces fans nil. Music to my ears!

 

 

 

that's debatable, hence why it's still being discussed.

 

 

He is, the fans at Cardiff proved that and will again next season.

Must try harder.

 

Just catching up with this meeting.

All this talk about Woffy being unprofessional.

Ht9 Richie Worrall swears when interviewed - very unprofessional.

Ht10 Cook virtually storms across in front of PK on the 4th bend and could have been nasty if he clipped Peter yet behaves like a petulant child when it's done to him. Don't dish it if you can't take it back.

Ht11 the belle Vue team manager swearing in an interview prior to the race. Even worse professional behaviour.

Haven't yet heard any Wolves swearing.

 

I suggest you go back over the recording of the meeting and then come back and tell me Richie Worrall swore, he didn't, been done to death a couple of days ago.

In fact here you go, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LQCnmTrPRc the interview is @ 1.05 & 50secs and he says "felt like I didn't have any speed". Not one swear word thoughout the whole interview, in fact it was a very cool interview considering he'd just beaten the World Champion.

 

Might seem trivial but you called him very unprofessional and I don't think that's fair

 

As for Mark Lemon, before ht11 he said in answer to a question from Chris Louis re the behind closed doors team chat, "Just getting out of the cold Chris, it's bloody freezing". How very unprofessional is that Steve?

 

Even if anyone did use worse language it would have been understandable in the cauldron atmosphere that had been created by the Belle Vue fans.

 

Nobody is saying Wolves didn't deserve to win but you seem to be looking for a rise by spouting about winning when there is no argument from any Belle Vue posters, the better team won and that's that, again congratulations to Wolves, especially PK.

 

Sometimes Steve it's better not to try and defend someone when they are clearly in the wrong. You were the one who quoted Tai's posting calling Belle Vue fans scum, he has since, sensibly, retracted that word yet you still seem to think he can do no wrong. That scum comment has been pretty much the only thing any Aces fans have a beef with, the banter at the track was just banter and enjoyed by all it seems. One poster says they heard a comment about Rob Woffinden while on the back straight terrace, it's almost certain that Tai wouldn't have heard that same comment, so the word scum was unwarranted.

 

I think we can forget all about the Rob Woffinden insult, it's completely unsubstantiated, which is strange considering the terrace was packed fairly solid. Got to say if I had heard such a derogatory comment as has been suggested I would have sought the perpetrator and had words myself, that goes for whatever team they or I were supporting.

 

So maybe you should just try and enjoy your victory instead of looking for negatives to throw the way of Belle Vue.

 

 

Well done Wolves, worthy winners of the 2016 Play off Final.

[colin wood]

Bwitcher if you didn't have a problem with the announcer personally why post he was trying to incite the crowd?He wasn't you would be daft to think he was.

[stevebrum]

I suggest you go back over the recording of the meeting and then come back and tell me Richie Worrall swore, he didn't, been done to death a couple of days ago.

In fact here you go,

the interview is @ 1.05 & 50secs and he says "felt like I didn't have any speed". Not one swear word thoughout the whole interview, in fact it was a very cool interview considering he'd just beaten the World Champion.

 

Might seem trivial but you called him very unprofessional and I don't think that's fair

 

As for Mark Lemon, before ht11 he said in answer to a question from Chris Louis re the behind closed doors team chat, "Just getting out of the cold Chris, it's bloody freezing". How very unprofessional is that Steve?

 

Even if anyone did use worse language it would have been understandable in the cauldron atmosphere that had been created by the Belle Vue fans.

 

Nobody is saying Wolves didn't deserve to win but you seem to be looking for a rise by spouting about winning when there is no argument from any Belle Vue posters, the better team won and that's that, again congratulations to Wolves, especially PK.

 

Sometimes Steve it's better not to try and defend someone when they are clearly in the wrong. You were the one who quoted Tai's posting calling Belle Vue fans scum, he has since, sensibly, retracted that word yet you still seem to think he can do no wrong. That scum comment has been pretty much the only thing any Aces fans have a beef with, the banter at the track was just banter and enjoyed by all it seems. One poster says they heard a comment about Rob Woffinden while on the back straight terrace, it's almost certain that Tai wouldn't have heard that same comment, so the word scum was unwarranted.

 

I think we can forget all about the Rob Woffinden insult, it's completely unsubstantiated, which is strange considering the terrace was packed fairly solid. Got to say if I had heard such a derogatory comment as has been suggested I would have sought the perpetrator and had words myself, that goes for whatever team they or I were supporting.

 

So maybe you should just try and enjoy your victory instead of looking for negatives to throw the way of Belle Vue.

 

 

Well done Wolves, worthy winners of the 2016 Play off Final.

I've replayed them several times as both times Nigel said apologies for any bad language.

can't tell if Lemon is saying blo*dy or the F word, ditto Worrall.

Discussed to death maybe but no clear evidence to support it wasn't swearing.

I'm not looking for a rise in the slightest, I'm suggesting that in defence of the dreadful comment made (likely by one person) by one fan to Tai and the persistent barracking of him everytime he appeared he to got caught up in the 'cauldron atmosphere' so a little forgiveness all round sounds fair.

All I was ever saying was that Tai had his reasons for the social media comment which wasn't great,nor were comments made from others mentioned either.

 

[BWitcher]

Worrall certainly didn't swear and Lemon only said bloody.... just Pearson creating something that wasn't there.

[Aces51]

Steve, by editing his Facebook comment Woffinden is admitting he was wrong to use that word so I can't see why you are still trying to defend him.

[nw42]

I've replayed them several times as both times Nigel said apologies for any bad language.

can't tell if Lemon is saying blo*dy or the F word, ditto Worrall.

Discussed to death maybe but no clear evidence to support it wasn't swearing.

I'm not looking for a rise in the slightest, I'm suggesting that in defence of the dreadful comment made (likely by one person) by one fan to Tai and the persistent barracking of him everytime he appeared he to got caught up in the 'cauldron atmosphere' so a little forgiveness all round sounds fair.

All I was ever saying was that Tai had his reasons for the social media comment which wasn't great,nor were comments made from others mentioned either.

 

 

 

You just won't have it will you, stick some earphones on and have a proper listen, I've already told you what Richie Worrall said but you continue to suggest he swore and don't accept you are wrong on this one. Just because Nigel apologised for it doesn't mean it happened.

I can't do more than hand you the evidence on a plate, what other evidence would you need to put you in a position to say you were wrong in calling Richie unprofessional?

 

 

I've already forgiven Tai for the scum comment because he's retracted/removed it. You seem to conveniently believe that someone shouted something about his late father yet there is no 'clear evidence' of this, that's having double standards. Do you know of any other sick comments that were made, or are you just relying on hearsay.

 

I know it's getting heavy going but sometimes these things just get accepted as fact because they are referred to enough times, well I don't think it's fair on Richie or the Belle Vue crowd.

 

You have the evidence regarding Richie yet can't hear it, you have no evidence whatsoever regarding any sick comments about Rob Woffinden but you choose to believe they were made.

 

Let's move on then eh, it's clear you won't accept that you were wrong.

[Aces51]

To be fair, BWitchrr was there and said he heard the comment about Woffinden's father. Nobody else has said they heard it and it was in the South Stand so I think we can say with almost absolute certainty that Woffinden wouldn't have heard it so it has no bearing whatsoever on his comments.

 

Woffinden has withdrawn the comment, end of story, let's get back to appreciating the excellent racing and brilliant atmosphere.

Edited October 8, 2016 by Aces51

[Bagpuss]

If you want stevebrum to admit he was wrong you are in for a long wait!

[Garry1603]

Let's not tarnish a brilliant night of speedway. Great racing, great atmosphere and great drama.

 

When speedway is good, it's VERY good.

 

I'm disappointed in the result but not with the occasion. Well done Wolves!

[stevebrum]

You just won't have it will you, stick some earphones on and have a proper listen, I've already told you what Richie Worrall said but you continue to suggest he swore and don't accept you are wrong on this one. Just because Nigel apologised for it doesn't mean it happened.

I can't do more than hand you the evidence on a plate, what other evidence would you need to put you in a position to say you were wrong in calling Richie unprofessional?

 

 

I've already forgiven Tai for the scum comment because he's retracted/removed it. You seem to conveniently believe that someone shouted something about his late father yet there is no 'clear evidence' of this, that's having double standards. Do you know of any other sick comments that were made, or are you just relying on hearsay.

 

I know it's getting heavy going but sometimes these things just get accepted as fact because they are referred to enough times, well I don't think it's fair on Richie or the Belle Vue crowd.

 

You have the evidence regarding Richie yet can't hear it, you have no evidence whatsoever regarding any sick comments about Rob Woffinden but you choose to believe they were made.

 

Let's move on then eh, it's clear you won't accept that you were wrong.

 

I have already said it's unclear what Richie said hence my added comment hence why Nigel apologised. I've listened to it 6 times and I still can't be sure what he said!

so I'm more than happy to give him the benefit of the doubt if that's what you claim to be correct.

There IS clear evidence the comment about Rob was made however if Tai is aware of it or heard it us unlikely to be concluded.

It's clear that I question things I'm unsure of!

 

If you want stevebrum to admit he was wrong you are in for a long wait!

Better read the comment above then.

[nw42]

 

 

I have already said it's unclear what Richie said hence my added comment hence why Nigel apologised. I've listened to it 6 times and I still can't be sure what he said!

so I'm more than happy to give him the benefit of the doubt if that's what you claim to be correct.

There IS clear evidence the comment about Rob was made however if Tai is aware of it or heard it us unlikely to be concluded.

It's clear that I question things I'm unsure of!

 

 

Better read the comment above then.

 

 

So you were wrong in calling Richie very unprofessional, is that what you're saying?

 

Here's the problem though, you say there is clear evidence of the comments about Rob, can you elaborate please?

 

There's only one person on here who has said they heard this abuse, funnily enough the same poster has confirmed that Richie didn't swear. So if you are willing to rely 100% with that poster's account of the abuse why would you not accept that Richie didn't swear and admit you were wrong?

 

Thing is Steve you haven't said you were wrong in calling Richie unprofessional for swearing on tv, you just offered the benefit of doubt because it's what I claim.

 

It seems Gordon Bennett is correct in his post above.

 

I'm done with this now, wouldn't normally bother dragging things out to this degree but you wound me up with your lies and smug attitude.

[stevebrum]

So you were wrong in calling Richie very unprofessional, is that what you're saying?

 

Here's the problem though, you say there is clear evidence of the comments about Rob, can you elaborate please?

 

There's only one person on here who has said they heard this abuse, funnily enough the same poster has confirmed that Richie didn't swear. So if you are willing to rely 100% with that poster's account of the abuse why would you not accept that Richie didn't swear and admit you were wrong?

 

Thing is Steve you haven't said you were wrong in calling Richie unprofessional for swearing on tv, you just offered the benefit of doubt because it's what I claim.

 

It seems Gordon Bennett is correct in his post above.

 

I'm done with this now, wouldn't normally bother dragging things out to this degree but you wound me up with your lies and smug attitude.

What do you want, a hand written apology signed in blood?

I have already said if Richie didn't swear as I've already stated then obviously I retract that statement (I assume you afford me the same respect you gave Woffy for removing his remark? ?).

you keep on dragging up that you are trying to prove me wrong when I've already accepted that.

You yourself in your previous statement have confirmed that one person heard the offending comment , so we can agree it was said then I guess.

 

No idea what 'smug attitude' you refer to, I have already stated that I was more than likely wrong in not hearing the interview correctly and have now agreed the remark about Richie was not warranted. So I guess we can wrap it up.

 

so no Gordon Bennett wasn't right. Sometimes you have to be the bigger man to accept sometimes you have got something wrong. I have no issue with that.

No further comment is required unless you would like to accept that I was wrong of course.

[WestGorton1884]

 

 

I have already said it's unclear what Richie said hence my added comment hence why Nigel apologised. I've listened to it 6 times and I still can't be sure what he said!

so I'm more than happy to give him the benefit of the doubt if that's what you claim to be correct.

There IS clear evidence the comment about Rob was made however if Tai is aware of it or heard it us unlikely to be concluded.

It's clear that I question things I'm unsure of!

 

 

Better read the comment above then.

"There is clear evidence the comment about Rob was made " clear evidence ,,, where ? and from whom ?

Edited October 9, 2016 by WestGorton1884

[Aces51]

One person has reported hearing it said in the South Stand which means that there is no way Woffinden could have heard it so it has no relevance to his calling fans scum.

 

However, he has removed that word from his Facebook comments which means he admits it was wrong to be so abusive. Not man enough to apologise but he has removed it so let's forget it and move on. It would be a shame to let it overshadow such a brilliant meeting.

[bigcatdiary]

Got to watch this leg for the first time this afternoon I thought it was an excellent match and great advert for the sport.

[New Science]

Sorry its a bit late but a few impressions of Wednesday night. Firstly well done Belle Vue,had trouble buying a ticket on line but one phone call all sorted by their obliging staff. After a nightmare journey from the midlands , plenty of parking, and smooth quick ticket collection and onto back straight terrace. Was able to buy a beer without all the tops off bottle rubbish. Walked on to the terrace in my Wolves shirt only to get a few boo's from a family behind me. The meeting and track were first class and if Belle Vue had acquitted themselves a bit better in the first leg I have no doubt they would have won. What did surprise me was the hostility of the home fans who seemed more interested in booing the away riders on there way to the tapes. While I have sympathy for Belle Vue topping the league, we are all aware of the play off system.Not only this but the guy in the box kept repeating himself saying Belle Vue were best team all year "we didn't do what Poole did " "we didn't have to bring the World Champion in " etc . My sympathy for Belle Vue's predicament was starting to wear off the longer the stadium announcer went on. But overall a good night with top racing. And lastly thanks to Sky sports for making us wait 20 minutes between heats 14 and 15 to fit their TV schedules . CHEERS, we do have homes to got to .

[stevebrum]

"There is clear evidence the comment about Rob was made " clear evidence ,,, where ? and from whom ?

A poster on here has already confirmed they heard, assuming you aren't prepared them a liar?

Heard in the stands.

 

Time to move this on as it's been debated to death.At least one fan heard it and whether Tai heard it is not confirmed.

[mikebv]

Let's not tarnish a brilliant night of speedway. Great racing, great atmosphere and great drama.

 

When speedway is good, it's VERY good.

 

I'm disappointed in the result but not with the occasion. Well done Wolves!

Spot on...

 

The conundrum for the BSPA is how they get 'that' on track every week.

 

By 'that' I mean two teams with their own riders riding in a competition that had some meaning..

 

Must be honest even as a BV fan I wasn't too bothered who won the overall Championship as sadly it is so devalued throughout the year by its qualification meetings consistently seeing various 'select teams' race against each other.

 

In Speedway (The British version) the two finalists are invariably delivered by all the other competitors 'helping out' which cannot help crowd levels on a week by week basis, as no one can really take the Competition that seriously.

 

Or, more sadly, give the 'Champions' tag the accolade and respect it deserves..

 

Super League have a League Winners Shield so Speedway should too. At least it would mean that the last three or four meetings, pre the play offs, still have some relevance for teams already a 'shoe in' for the play offs..

 

As has been shown, make the EVENT have some true relevance with regards to its outcome, and ensure it has the clear sporting integrity that a 'professional sports' competition should have, and you can deliver more than decent crowds in British Speedway..

 

Doing it every week at every track surely isn't beyond the wit of man?

 

(Or woman obviously)...