Belle Vue Vs Wolves, Grand Final 2nd Leg, 5/10/16...

[Sidney the robin]

Wolves deserved winners over the two legs... but the win-at-all-costs mentality of speedway in bringing Woffenden back leaves a sour taste and really questions why fans bother with anything that happens before August, when riders can be signed purely for the "business part of the season."

 

Woffenden upsets some because there's a myth doing the rounds... that he has used British Speedway. Belle Vue fans were naturally annoyed last night... because he had only afforded them his presence because his racing diary was throwing out all sorts of blank pages. Wolves fans, and who can blame them, welcome anyone who can score the points.

 

Cracking occasion though. But is it worth devaluing all that has gone before?And, yes, Tai created a lot of interest last night and will encourage Belle Vue fans to turn up and jeer him, whenever he graces these shores again.

 

That is good for the sport... a flashback to the Kenny Carter days perhaps.

Tai is great for speedway,and god speedway could do with a few more speedway stars like KC now love him or hate him.Speedway got great publicity and interest through KC then, Tai is doing the same now. Edited October 6, 2016 by Sidney the robin

[Wolfsbane]

Never, but folk keep telling me Woffys outbursts are good publicity.....doesn't seem so in this instance lol

 

 

Since they started putting the money up to make it happen.

As I said last night, Sky do what they always do, pander to the professionally offended.

 

It's me and my fellow subscribers who put the money in to make it happen, without us Sky haven't got a business.

[Red Flag]

please CVS don't sign that anal wart next year

can't see Cook leaving BV

Brilliant night of Speedway, it had everything that is great about our sport, including controversy. I want to congratulate Wolves on a good well earned victory, I personally am not surprised as I did say at the beginning of the season when we were all making our predictions that Wolves were the dark horses.

 

I also want to say how proud I am of our 1-7 for giving us a great season and finishing top of the table at the end, however Wolves were a tad to good in the P/Off final.

 

For next season if we are to have the B/W Tac ride again then let's hope they (BSPA) have the balls to make it fair. The P/Off's are aggregate score matches and when Wolves played it in heat 9 they were still in front 73-65.

so massive advantage to the team away first then?

I just feel a sportsman at the top of his game should be a role model, setting an example. Other than the flying clothes line at Nicki , you wouldn't catch Hancock behaving like Tai did.

so you want to conveniently dismiss that then??

[BWitcher]

 

 

For next season if we are to have the B/W Tac ride again then let's hope they (BSPA) have the balls to make it fair. The P/Off's are aggregate score matches and when Wolves played it in heat 9 they were still in front 73-65.

 

The tac ride situation was perfectly fair. Belle Vue used one, Wolves used one. How much fairer do you want it?

 

For the playoffs it would be better if there were no tacs, they aren't needed... but your idea here is just, well it's the kind of gibberish that make promoters ignore fans suggestions.

[foreverblue]

 

The tac ride situation was perfectly fair. Belle Vue used one, Wolves used one. How much fairer do you want it?

 

For the playoffs it would be better if there were no tacs, they aren't needed... but your idea here is just, well it's the kind of gibberish that make promoters ignore fans suggestions.

The problem belle Vue has is their manager cocked it up and Adams made the right call. Woffinden may not have won the race but still the right call as he would win that race nine times out of ten and if Worrall had left him any room at all he would have won. He didn't panic like Lemon and play it too early.

[spencebel]

Congratulations Wolverhampton .

[LisaColette]

The problem belle Vue has is their manager cocked it up and Adams made the right call. Woffinden may not have won the race but still the right call as he would win that race nine times out of ten and if Worrall had left him any room at all he would have won. He didn't panic like Lemon and play it too early.

Disagree. Adams should have used it a race later with Freddie as he had back up in PK. So very likely to be 7-2 or 8-1. But in the end didn't matter too much.

[Steve Shovlar]

As said earlier, this was all a pre-meditated plan from Belle Vue to try and unsettle Woffinden.

 

If you had been there you would have heard the announcer RELENTLESSLY telling everyone how Wolves had acted outside the spirit of the sport how ridiculous it was that a World Champion was riding at No 4. It was constant.

 

Then there is the issue of them listing him in the program with a higher average than any of the Wolves riders allowing some fans to believe he was riding there illegally... a viewpoint enforced by the sarcastic comments made when announcing the riders in the race in each and every one of his races, suggesting that it was wrong he was in that position.

 

I'm not complaining about it, it actually made victory all the more sweeter. The Belle Vue fans around us on the back straight found it all somewhat cringeworthy (the announcer that is).

A center green announcer is not allowed to incite, say things that are untrue about the opposition and has to follow quite strict guidelines laid down by the scb. Failure to adhere to the guideline can result in a finand/or suspension. Looks like the guy on the mike either didn't knownor ignored the rules of an announcer.

 

By the way nice to meet you at Monmore last week.

[foreverblue]

A center green announcer is not allowed to incite, say things that are untrue about the opposition and has to follow quite strict guidelines laid down by the scb. Failure to adhere to the guideline can result in a finand/or suspension. Looks like the guy on the mike either didn't knownor ignored the rules of an announcer.

 

By the way nice to meet you at Monmore last week.

Maybe he doesn't know the rules as i believe their original announcer left recently.

Disagree. Adams should have used it a race later with Freddie as he had back up in PK. So very likely to be 7-2 or 8-1. But in the end didn't matter too much.

Disagree Lindgren was in a tougher race against Cook and Fricke.

[Gavan]

Disagree. Adams should have used it a race later with Freddie as he had back up in PK. So very likely to be 7-2 or 8-1. But in the end didn't matter too much.

Cant agree with that at all.

 

Tai was hot favourite to beat both Worralls.

Lindgren was up against Cook who was still on a high after beating Woffinden, and a dangerous opponent in Fricke

As it panned out Heat 10 would have scored more points but that's hindsight.

I would say the huge majority would have given the tac ride to the World Champion against a reserve and a rider who was reserve.

Good to see the sportsmanship after the race form Tai as well making a point of shaking both their hands

Edited October 6, 2016 by Gavan

[waiheke1]

 

The tac ride situation was perfectly fair. Belle Vue used one, Wolves used one. How much fairer do you want it?

 

For the playoffs it would be better if there were no tacs, they aren't needed... but your idea here is just, well it's the kind of gibberish that make promoters ignore fans suggestions.

Exactly this. I assume what hyderd is suggesting would be "fairer" is if ability to use the tr was based on aggregate score. Which of course would be unfair on the team riding at home in the first leg.

Aces fan, but nothing at all unfair with the ts last night.

In fact one of my favourite memories is the 83 premiership. Awat to Cradley aces went behind early, but use if ts helped them turn it into a 6 point victory.

In the home leg aces again trailed early, and despite tac sub rides for mortgage (15 point max) and pc aces went into the last heat 8 down on the night and 2 down on aggregate. Cue Larry Ross tac sub and he and pc got a 5-1 over gundersen and king (?) to secure the trophy. Now that was "unfair" use of tac sub - I don't recall a single complaint amongst the aces fans though!

[solrac]

Which implies Sky did not approve. all you apologists take note

So what if Sky didn't approve?

[Daytripper]

 

 

Yet here we are the morning after a meeting that showed that when it's done right, speedway is the greatest, most exciting, most exhilarating sport in the world and the thread is STILL full of people whinging.

 

If you can find faults with last night, speedway isn't for you. Time to stop pretending to be a fan and go find something else to do with your time.

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Amen to that. Most Speedwáy meetings are pretty good, even the "average" ones. The thing is that likes most things in life, if you go with the intention of enjoying if you probably will, and if you go with the intention of finding fault with it you probabably will also. Unfortunately we have the same ones on here- and we all know who they are - waiting with their tedious "track was crap" comments almost before the meeting starts. As you say, better some should clear off and find something better to do with their time.

As I said last night, Sky do what they always do, pander to the professionally offended.

 

It's me and my fellow subscribers who put the money in to make it happen, without us Sky haven't got a business.

Without the advertisers they haven't got a business either. Professionally offended they may but the one who pays the piper calls the tune.

[BWitcher]

Disagree. Adams should have used it a race later with Freddie as he had back up in PK. So very likely to be 7-2 or 8-1. But in the end didn't matter too much.

 

This is a common mistake people make.. and sometimes Pearson and Tatum don't help.

 

It makes NO difference what the partner does to the success of a tac. 6-3 and a 5-1, no different to a 3-3 and 8-1.

[Ace no.5]

Was just about to say exactly the same. The only target for the T/R is for that one rider to win the race and get double 3. The other rider is only scoring single points so yes, an 8-1 would be nice but as long as your T/R gets 6 points you have achieved the maximum available. No issue with T/R over these 2 legs but I would also prefer there to be no T/R at all in 2 legged meetings.

Edited October 6, 2016 by Ace no.5

[BWitcher]

At least Tai can get a job as a spy when he hangs up his kevlars. If he can pick out one or two knob heads allegedly giving him grief about his Dad whilst on a motorbike with a helmet on and a few thousand fans shouting "who r yer" at the top of their voices then he could pick out vital secrets in various locations around the world.

 

The only thing that would stop him is if it's all BS from the ringers apologists.

 

Hope you enjoyed the meeting last night Ouch.

 

A friend of mine couldn't make it because of his daughter's 18th and he was gutted.

 

Terrible to have missed such an amazing meeting.

 

Imagine not being able to attend such a big event.

Edited October 6, 2016 by BWitcher

[Wolfsbane]

Amen to that. Most Speedwáy meetings are pretty good, even the "average" ones. The thing is that likes most things in life, if you go with the intention of enjoying if you probably will, and if you go with the intention of finding fault with it you probabably will also. Unfortunately we have the same ones on here- and we all know who they are - waiting with their tedious "track was crap" comments almost before the meeting starts. As you say, better some should clear off and find something better to do with their time.

 

Without the advertisers they haven't got a business either. Professionally offended they may but the one who pays the piper calls the tune.

No subscribers, no one to watch the adverts

[hyderd]

My god there's some drips on here!

 

Firstly, it was a top meeting on a superb racetrack and Belle Vue gave it a fair crack when others would have given up after the first leg; so credit to all the riders for putting on a show.

 

As far as Cook's reaction in heat 13 goes, it was understandable; he was fired up and from his point of view it would have felt like Lindgren chopped him, so I've no problem with him showing some emotion. I will add that as much as I think Lindgren is a dangerous twonk, I though the move was a fair one.

 

Cook had the piss taken out of him for his interview after by some dicks. For me, what we saw was someone who really cared and was genuinely hurting after losing; that's the kind of bloke I want in my team any day of the week.

 

As for the Tai stuff, once again it's the usual plumsacks who are wading into him, purely driven by their dislike of him. If a certain Dane does it, he's one of the sports characters who are sadly disappearing; if Tai does it, he's a disgrace blah, blah, blah, whinge, moan. Friends of mine were there last night, Belle Vue fans as it happens and they told me that it wasn't how some would have you believe. He wasn't just being booed, he was getting all kinds of verbal and hand gestures given to him by men and women, several with kids in tow. It was then he gave some back, he didn't instigate it. Should he have given it back? Too farken right he should!

 

All this old swill about role models; your role models are your parents, you shouldn't be relying on sportsman to be your kids role models, teach them right from wrong yourselves and if you're gonna stand there in front of your kids, giving the w**ker signs, calling him a c**t etc then your the ones responsible for how they conduct themselves. Tai stood up to them and so he should. Farken holier than thou's giving it the biggun and then squealing about it when they get it back. Morons.

 

top sports men/women should be able to rise above the insults etc etc, if what you are saying happened at a big derby football match, all hell would break loose.

 

Tai got his say by winning heat 14 thereby gaining the points needed to win the title, the rest made him no better than the plonkers who insulted him.

The booing was and is part and parcel of sporting atmosphere,insults are not.

[SteveEvans]

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Cracking occasion though. But is it worth devaluing all that has gone before?

 

 

You say the play offs devalue all that has gone before it? I see it that fans who don't grasp the concept over value all that went before it!

[colin wood]

Fantastic meeting again well done Wolves.But how lucky are BV fans to watch racing at the NSS every week.