Trees Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 And it would help if the UK stuck to particular race nights too. High time the EL was raced two nights a week rather than five.Agreed although it's not so easy for us with non exclusive speedway stadiums ..I think the SGP series should switch to Sundays, giving much more flexibility for all the leagues!! ;-)Put em on a Monday or something then we can use the prized Saturdays ... Yes, you naughty naughty Polish people...how dare you look after your own interests. We British, who won the war, remember (and the World Cup in 1966) and who are just too good for you EU types, who can race on any day of the week that suits us, and even on Wednesdays, just to keep the riders flying backwards and forwards all week long, INSIST that you restrict yourselves to one day a week only. So there. Ner! OK Martinski, I'd love us to do only 2 days a week but as you know full well our stadium set up is NOTHING like Poland! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Perhaps then it's time to tailor the EL to the teams who can ride on the selected nights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 As said before, in this or in the other thread, the issue isn't the race days. The issue is that riders ride every day of the week and then becomes injured because they are exhausted. And what about if they get injured riding Polish league, everyone else suffers, ridiculous argument! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 And what about if they get injured riding Polish league, everyone else suffers, ridiculous argument! Of course it isn't.If they ride in less meetings they are less likely to be injured in one.From a Polish or any fans point of view if a rider turns up and then gets injured in their meeting it is bad luck,but it is extremely annoying if they don't even turn up as they got injured in a 'less important league' meeting.It is also very annoying if they turn up not 100% because of riding in other leagues.There was one guy on here years ago who was convinced that the sport was corrupt as he couldn't understand how they could score 12-15 pts 1 night and then the next nly get 4 or 5.Personally i don't see it has anything to do with that,nor the silencer but more the amount of meeting and travelling they do.No sportsperson can keep up that sort of schedule and hope to be consistent. The riders are robbing the fans and the clubs by riding 5 nights a week or more and they are taking team places off others.Of course it has now got to the stage where there are not that many riders who could move into those freed up places,but if nothing is done the situation will only get worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) And what about if they get injured riding Polish league, everyone else suffers, ridiculous argument! Yes and no. A slight reduction in meetings for the riders might be a good idea but it shouldn't be a national federation that decides such things. Two meetings/week is also too strict. It should be 3 meetings/week+GP or SEC. With three meetings/week the riders can do Elitserien+DK+PL or Elitserien+Allsvenskan+PL or Sweden+DK. Many Swedish riders are doubling up, which increased the status and popularity of Allsvenskan when riders like Ljung, Lindbäck, PK, Zorro (retired now), Thorssell, Kim Nilsson..., also rides for an Allsvenskan club. Edited October 2, 2016 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 And what about if they get injured riding Polish league, everyone else suffers, ridiculous argument! And if they get themselves injured fulfilling a guest booking or some individual meeting in Britain, is that any better? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawel115 Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) Kinda off topic but i was always wondering why in Britain speedway is run during the week and not on weekend when most people are off when i started following speedway in Rzeszow and going to matches it was the same as now on Sundays and stadium was always full or almost full the few meetings that were rained off and scheduled during mid week had tiny crowds as far as i know most professional sports events are held on weekend or at least majority of matches in those sports are(Premier Football for example). Edited October 3, 2016 by pawel115 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 Kinda off topic but i was always wondering why in Britain speedway is run during the week and not on weekend when most people are off when i started following speedway in Rzeszow and going to matches it was the same as now on Sundays and stadium was always full or almost full the few meetings that were rained off and scheduled during mid week had tiny crowds as far as i know most professional sports events are held on weekend or at least majority of matches in those sports are(Premier Football for example).Because GPs are Saturday and Poland is Sunday. It's the only valid argument those who blame the decline of speedway in uk on the GPs have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 uk martin, on 02 Oct 2016 - 11:51 AM, said: Yes, you naughty naughty Polish people...how dare you look after your own interests. We British, who won the war, remember (and the World Cup in 1966) and who are just too good for you EU types, who can race on any day of the week that suits us, and even on Wednesdays, just to keep the riders flying backwards and forwards all week long, INSIST that you restrict yourselves to one day a week only. So there. Ner! Typical Sassenach... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 Kinda off topic but i was always wondering why in Britain speedway is run during the week and not on weekend when most people are off when i started following speedway in Rzeszow and going to matches it was the same as now on Sundays and stadium was always full or almost full the few meetings that were rained off and scheduled during mid week had tiny crowds as far as i know most professional sports events are held on weekend or at least majority of matches in those sports are(Premier Football for example). Dates back to the introduction of speedway in the UK. The sport arrived from Australia in 1928, the same time as greyhound racing from the USA. As a result 80-90% of speedway tracks were shared use with greyhounds and they often took the Saturday slot (Sunday's were not available due to religious based restrictions on commercial activity). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 And if they get themselves injured fulfilling a guest booking or some individual meeting in Britain, is that any better? It happens, that's speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 Dates back to the introduction of speedway in the UK. The sport arrived from Australia in 1928, the same time as greyhound racing from the USA. As a result 80-90% of speedway tracks were shared use with greyhounds and they often took the Saturday slot (Sunday's were not available due to religious based restrictions on commercial activity). Also for instance at the start there were so many tracks.There weren't enough days in the week for the London tracks..As i mentioned on another thread about pre war speedway it was possible some days for a rider and fans to see 3 meetings just in the London area on one day and there were a couple more meetings that they would have missed because of time clash.Plus the promoters were milking the fans for the money and some tracks were holding 2 or possibly 3 meetings in one week.!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 And what about if they get injured riding Polish league, everyone else suffers, ridiculous argument! It happens, that's speedway. There you go, you've answered your own argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) Kinda off topic but i was always wondering why in Britain speedway is run during the week and not on weekend when most people are off when i started following speedway in Rzeszow and going to matches it was the same as now on Sundays and stadium was always full or almost full the few meetings that were rained off and scheduled during mid week had tiny crowds as far as i know most professional sports events are held on weekend or at least majority of matches in those sports are(Premier Football for example). One reason is the fixture list. Britain was really the only country with professional speedway, so tracks needed to run a home meeting roughly every week to pay the riders and to amortise the stadium costs etc.. This obviously meant that every track couldn't ride on the same night. Race nights were somewhat decided by seniority - new tracks coming into a particular league were generally allocated a particular night (or they inherited a race night if they purchased an existing track licence). In more recent years there was more flexibility to choose a race night, but they had to concede that when riding against other tracks with the same race night. So let's say there were two Friday night tracks, the team with least seniority would have to ride against the more senior team at home on a different day, and give up their Friday meeting when riding away to the more senior team. Saturday night tracks generally did better than midweek tracks for crowds, but it very much depends on local circumstances. Tracks in more urban areas seem to be able to run midweek with less effect on crowds than those in more rural areas. I personally preferred Friday racing, but it became increasingly problematic to travel to meetings because of the growing traffic issues. I think Sunday racing has also been confined to lower league racing in Britain. Quite aside from the restrictions on professional Sunday sport until the 1970s(?), Sunday was the day for grasstrack and continental longtrack racing. Edited October 3, 2016 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 There you go, you've answered your own argument. So u agree, ridiculous argument and the Poles should shove their proposed rule where the sun don't shine, knew you'd come round to my way of thinking 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawel115 Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 Thanks for explanation guys some polish speedway track(not all of them) share venues with football kinda like greyhound racing hence the size of them if you ever wondered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 Thanks for explanation guys some polish speedway track(not all of them) share venues with football kinda like greyhound racing hence the size of them if you ever wondered.In the Premier League Glasgow share with junior football team, Edinburgh with greyhounds, Berwick with Berwick Rangers (football), Workington with Rugby, Newcastle with greyhounds, Sheffield with greyhounds, Scunthorpe and Ipswich with 'bangers', Peterborough is within an arena complex which hosts shows and meetings and so Redcar, Rye House, Somerset and Plymouth are the only ones who have a stadium to themselves, although I think Redcar has some form of driving experience thing in the car park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 (edited) So u agree, ridiculous argument and the Poles should shove their proposed rule where the sun don't shine, knew you'd come round to my way of thinking A bit of female logic going on there if you think that I've come round to your way of thinking on this, however, how about this for a solution?... How about you arrange for your mate, Nigel Farage, to build an Iron Curtain to keep all things Polish in Poland, so that we British can get back to running our empire? Edited October 4, 2016 by uk martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 In the Premier League Glasgow share with junior football team Which just to confuse things, doesn't involve 'junior' footballers at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Sincerely hope this rule backfires on Polish speedway, not that I spend much money over in Poland but I certainly will not until this rule is overturned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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