balderdash&piffle Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 I wouldnt say it was the promotion persay... If you are referring to the show put on then yes but when you dont have a crowd to pull in its hard.. its not the person its what people get from their entrance fee.. people want a winning team its a fickle business if people dont get a winning side they wont come to watch.. fans never really get much involvement with a promoter and from what i saw they never really spoke to the press it was always Lee Trigger who did the paper reports.. was that the problem ?? unsure... lets just hope who ever comes in is supported even if it is Mr Bowden and being in the National League I will say though an 8 man consortium scares me because Plymouth had a consortium before and you will never know who is in charge unless they decide a chain of command as desicions can be hard to be made the last consortium in Plymouth didnt work.. I really do hope Plymouth survive this and prosper.. Got to agree with you on consortiums, they rarely work, too many Indians not enough Chiefs comes to mind,, You need one person in charge to make decisions. Not a bad idea to listen to as many fans as possible, and cherry pick the good ideas, but only have one person to make the decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0310 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 No name lee trigger is not the problem if it weren't for him the riders would have walked half way through the season your so far off the mark with that one your in another country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted November 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 No name lee trigger is not the problem if it weren't for him the riders would have walked half way through the season your so far off the mark with that one your in another country. I don't believe No Name is suggesting Lee Trigger was the problem. It's more to do with the fact that both David Short and William (Ashley) Taylor were largely in the background, and effectively lacked a 'frontman' or leader, if you prefer. In essence, that frontman was Lee Trigger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 its already been quoted as there just isnt enough people coming through the gates for Premier League and no one will want to take a huge loss to see if they can get a crowd in.. yes it needs to be promoted properly and advertised properly but how much money would you want to loose while seeing if that can be done.. Plymouth is a massive catchment are, so you have to do what Matt ford did with us. Go out and get sponsorship. It will not come to you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 No name lee trigger is not the problem if it weren't for him the riders would have walked half way through the season your so far off the mark with that one your in another country. Never said Lee was a problem Lee is a mate of mine what I said it was only Lee in the paper and people didn't know the promotion and was that the problem.. Lee did a great job and I speak to both him and his partner and I know what the relationship was like between the riders and Lee.. so I guess you either didn't read what I wrote properly or have a proper bee in your bonnet.. so glad Mr Mungo read it properly.. Plymouth is a massive catchment are, so you have to do what Matt ford did with us. Go out and get sponsorship. It will not come to you.. It's always been a huge catchment area and they have done quite a lot already but it doesn't happen it may do with the right team involved but it will take a lot of work... As I have said best of luck to whoever gets it I just hope everyone supports whoever it is and whatever league they are in.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0310 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 So if you no him so well which I don't doubt ,do you reckon he would work with your ex father in law then if he picks up the reins again or do you think it will be a closed family shop running round the arena of which you were one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) So if you no him so well which I don't doubt ,do you reckon he would work with your ex father in law then if he picks up the reins again or do you think it will be a closed family shop running round the arena of which you were one.I doubt very much that Lee will be involved but that will be down to a discussion between them both I wouldn't want to second guess what is going to happen.. but if he doesn't mike will team manage himself I guess like he did last time.. most riders will tell you he always did right by them always paid on time and paid well..you really seem to have a bee in your bonnet don't you !!! Optimal point you made there... I was one of the family I run the pits.. have no dealings with the family any more but don't hold any malice towards them at all.. I think if mike does get back in control of the devils things will have to be different than they were but time will only tell.. Although I do feel he will be the one to get them back up and running because I know mike will not run the speedway and make a loss so if he believes he can make it work then fair play to him.. as said time will tell but I hope it all works and speedway isn't lost.. Edited November 2, 2016 by no name 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0310 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) I'll happily go on record and say I don't want Bowden getting the club back some of the ameturish things what went on when he had it was just as bad if not worse than some of the stuff that's gone on lately. Edited November 2, 2016 by Mike0310 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 I'll happily go on record and say I don't want Bowden getting the club back some of the ameturish things what went on when he had it was just as bad if not worse than some of the stuff that's gone on lately.I dont think the bspa want bowden back and i dont think he will get much support locally with sponsorship or advertising and i,ve heard not many of the track staff would be available if he gets the club my hunch is possibly a cornish connection will be involved in takeover. Time will tell! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 I'll happily go on record and say I don't want Bowden getting the club back some of the ameturish things what went on when he had it was just as bad if not worse than some of the stuff that's gone on lately. are you saying if he does get it back you wont support the team ?? or just that you dont want him to get it back ? I dont think the bspa want bowden back and i dont think he will get much support locally with sponsorship or advertising and i,ve heard not many of the track staff would be available if he gets the club my hunch is possibly a cornish connection will be involved in takeover. Time will tell! i would never second guess the BSPA they want a team running and may dissapoint you there.. and with reference to the track staff if they dont want to I guess there will be a que behind them wanting to be involved.. it isnt a massive job really.. let hope who ever gets it makes the right choices for the future of the sport in Plymouth I say again National League would be the safe bet and someone who knows the in's and out's of the sport as well.. I think its tomorrow you will find out isnt it ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 If there's a Cornish connection, I would be more than happy to get involved, as I am moving into that fabulous County around Xmas, with over 25 years involvement in the Sport, and connections around the World, also with first hand experience of the Devils. But if Bowden was even allowed in the Stadium, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 If there's a Cornish connection, I would be more than happy to get involved, as I am moving into that fabulous County around Xmas, with over 25 years involvement in the Sport, and connections around the World, also with first hand experience of the Devils. But if Bowden was even allowed in the Stadium, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. I dont like him as much as the next person please dont think I am sticking up for the guy I just dont want to see the Team Die... if he was to get it back I would still visit and support the team.. and I think my reasons will out weigh most of anyone elses but I do know he will do a good job and you dont need to like your promoter you just need to know he will put a good side out and pay the bills and keep it running.. such a shame others cannot do the same and Bowden has been in the stadium ever since he sold it watching it most weeks lol.. cannot wait to see who gets it.. and if Bowden does get it the uproar that goes on.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0310 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 I'm saying I don't want him to get it,as for him still going every week trust me he hasn't paid once to get in walks through the main gate with his plus one every week.also the track staff won't need replacing if someone else gets it are you starting to get the drift yet no one likes the bloke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 I'm saying I don't want him to get it,as for him still going every week trust me he hasn't paid once to get in walks through the main gate with his plus one every week.also the track staff won't need replacing if someone else gets it are you starting to get the drift yet no one likes the bloke oh i know that and i am in that club with you.. and him getting in free is only one persons problem and that was the old promoter.. when i visited i paid the same as everyone else yes i walked in through the main gate in front of everyone else but i gave my money in the same as everyone else.. although i was down the track chatting with ashley during the morning when they were fixing the air fence.. but even still if bowden gets the place i will still go when i visit it wont stop me from supporting the devils.. thats my drift.. and to be honest it shouldnt stop anyone else.. do not cut your nose off to spite your face i think the saying is.. lets hope someone else comes in does the right thing and keeps you all happy and doesnt mess up.. i feel this will be the last chance anyone will get to save them.. so they best get the job done right or you wont have a team full stop.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 I'll be honest, if it's Bowden or anyone from the current promotion I'll not part with any money at the SBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 I'll be honest, if it's Bowden or anyone from the current promotion I'll not part with any money at the SBA. so your just in a small way making an effort to kill speedway off in plymouth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 I'll be honest, if it's Bowden or anyone from the current promotion I'll not part with any money at the SBA. I also think you are wrong to refuse to attend simply because of who the promotion are unless they have given you specific and personal cause not to. To me, it doesn't matter that much who the promotion are (although some maybe preferable to others) but what the product is like. Under both Bowden and the last promotion, I have seen some cracking racing at SBA and that, to me, is what counts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 so your just in a small way making an effort to kill speedway off in plymouth BINGO I also think you are wrong to refuse to attend simply because of who the promotion are unless they have given you specific and personal cause not to. To me, it doesn't matter that much who the promotion are (although some maybe preferable to others) but what the product is like. Under both Bowden and the last promotion, I have seen some cracking racing at SBA and that, to me, is what counts. again I am glad some others on here can see what I have been saying.. for me as long as that promoters puts a show on and gives the paying public a team to be proud of then they have done their job.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 So if you go to work and don't get paid, then that's OK then, sod everyone else, I'm OK jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 So if you go to work and don't get paid, then that's OK then, sod everyone else, I'm OK jack what are you refering too?? quite an ambiguous statement there !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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