dazzafl Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 If Mike Bowden were our best chance of survival we might as well not bother. Yes he brought speedway back to the City and no-one can ever fault him for that. However Plymouth's crowds were diminishing before we went to the PL and that was because he never once seriously promoted the club or sought to generate any decent commercial revenue. To be fair he never needed to because the club had a bubble around it for the first two / three seasons which allowed him to collect with very little outlay. We are in a very different world now. What the club needs is not a one man band, it needs a team of open and honest people who can invest some case and have a bit of savvy about them to ensure the club is well managed and promoted. Basically we need people we can trust, Mike Bowden lost that trust a long time ago. I sincerely hope someone else is out there. Wasn't that what was supposed to happen with the out going promotion..??? Seems they didn't make it work either.. Maybe you are right maybe you are wrong would you rather no speedway then.. seems you know what Bowden did and didn't do do you have some inside information then ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0310 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 I don't no about inside knowledge but from going every week in the Bowden era lets just say some of his practices were not what you would expect from a speedway promoter but that was then things may have changed who knows,let's just hope someone came forward at the creditors meeting today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Wasn't that what was supposed to happen with the out going promotion..??? Seems they didn't make it work either.. Maybe you are right maybe you are wrong would you rather no speedway then.. seems you know what Bowden did and didn't do do you have some inside information then ?? Quite agree, it was. but they weren't the right people for the job either it seems. No inside information required - It was clear for everyone to see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 I don't no about inside knowledge but from going every week in the Bowden era lets just say some of his practices were not what you would expect from a speedway promoter but that was then things may have changed who knows,let's just hope someone came forward at the creditors meeting today. i quite agree he never thought about anything before he did it and always said exactly how he felt no matter who it would hurt even the team.. hopefully he has learnt from that and if he gets another go he makes a better go at it than last time. I would rather see Plymouth back on track in the NL with bowden at the helm than the track be torn down and it go back to being a field.. or if a miracle happens someone else comes in.. which i doubt really funny place Plymouth it will take someone very special Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 the appeal to GOD naturally drew my attention, and I have been giving it serious thought over the past few days, having already ploughed a lot of money into the promotion over the past few years, however with my current medical problems (need a zimmer to walk, problems with DVLA over driving iicence, they insist I have medical problems of their own invention and will not accept the word of consultants at the Plymouth Hospitals that I do not have those conditions, would make it impossible for me to be able to run the promotion the way I would llke to. From experience, it IS effectively a full time job if you are going to do it properly, until you manage to build up a backroom team you can trust completely to take some of the weight off. I would love to take it on BUT I have unfortunately to face up to my current medical problems which I hope are temporary, and accept that at the current time I just cant do it physically. IT would be targeted as FUN ON A FRIDAY TO START THE WEEKEND, lots of explosives, lots of propane burners, brighter lights already supplied them with new floods for the start area for the season gone back in February but were never installed, new 22,000 lumen LED floods for the bends, also already supplied, better loos, better presentation, it needs someone who can work a crowd. Its not Rye House science. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 the appeal to GOD naturally drew my attention, and I have been giving it serious thought over the past few days, having already ploughed a lot of money into the promotion over the past few years, however with my current medical problems (need a zimmer to walk, problems with DVLA over driving iicence, they insist I have medical problems of their own invention and will not accept the word of consultants at the Plymouth Hospitals that I do not have those conditions, would make it impossible for me to be able to run the promotion the way I would llke to. From experience, it IS effectively a full time job if you are going to do it properly, until you manage to build up a backroom team you can trust completely to take some of the weight off. I would love to take it on BUT I have unfortunately to face up to my current medical problems which I hope are temporary, and accept that at the current time I just cant do it physically. IT would be targeted as FUN ON A FRIDAY TO START THE WEEKEND, lots of explosives, lots of propane burners, brighter lights already supplied them with new floods for the start area for the season gone back in February but were never installed, new 22,000 lumen LED floods for the bends, also already supplied, better loos, better presentation, it needs someone who can work a crowd. Its not Rye House science. Agree 100% but not just a full time "person" someone who can organize, motivate, good PR skills & firm financial backing.... Mike Bowden fits none of that criteria!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Agree 100% but not just a full time "person" someone who can organize, motivate, good PR skills & firm financial backing.... Mike Bowden fits none of that criteria!!! Mike Bowden has a very firm financial backing.. yes his PR is not great but i hope he has changed in 4 years or gets someone to do that side.. he can organize he did well enough to build the place and get it open every weekend and get riders every where.. motivation comes from the team manager and with Lee at the helm thats also fine.. http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/mike-bowden-makes-his-move-to-save-city-speedway-club-plymouth-devils/story-29822816-detail/story.html good luck to Mike i hope he gets it back and brings back the 800+ crowd and gives Plymouth a team to be proud of again.. Mike in fact worked very well with the other local teams i remember them going to Plymouth Argyle and ripping up and down the side of the pitch at the half time break on the bikes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Mike Bowden has a very firm financial backing.. yes his PR is not great but i hope he has changed in 4 years or gets someone to do that side.. he can organize he did well enough to build the place and get it open every weekend and get riders every where.. motivation comes from the team manager and with Lee at the helm thats also fine.. http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/mike-bowden-makes-his-move-to-save-city-speedway-club-plymouth-devils/story-29822816-detail/story.html good luck to Mike i hope he gets it back and brings back the 800+ crowd and gives Plymouth a team to be proud of again.. Mike in fact worked very well with the other local teams i remember them going to Plymouth Argyle and ripping up and down the side of the pitch at the half time break on the bikes.. We couldn't get 800 in the PL with number of engaged fans, what makes you think we'd get that in the NL (poorer product) with Bowden (who few people trust) at the helm? I'm not sure if you know Mr Bowden personally or if it's just that his offer is all you are aware of but I'm hopeful that we will get the right promotion in and also retain our PL status. I love speedway but I will not put any money in Mr Bowden's pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) I understand that Mike Bowden may have made an offer for Plymouth Speedway, if my information is accurate the cheque would only have 4 numbers on it and 9,8,7,6, 5or 4 doesn't feature in the line immediately after the £ sign it is believed. Edited October 19, 2016 by barncooseboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 I understand that Mike Bowden may have made an offer for Plymouth Speedway, if my information is accurate the cheque would only have 4 numbers on it and 9,8,7,6, 5or 4 doesn't feature in the line immediately after the £ sign it is believed.£10.23 ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 We couldn't get 800 in the PL with number of engaged fans, what makes you think we'd get that in the NL (poorer product) with Bowden (who few people trust) at the helm? I'm not sure if you know Mr Bowden personally or if it's just that his offer is all you are aware of but I'm hopeful that we will get the right promotion in and also retain our PL status. I love speedway but I will not put any money in Mr Bowden's pocket. I think you are de-valuing the National league some very good racing in the National League and a winning side will bring the crowd back.. its the same at most clubs not got a winning side people flee.. when Plymouth had a National League side they were extremely succesful and the crowds were there.. went into the Premier League not a winning side and people left silly i know but its a fact.. and its not putting money into Bowdens pocket its keeping Plymouth Speedway alive and racing and you say people dont trust him it is only the people who got into a position to hear certain things from one or maybe two sources who hears bad things... yes he is not great at most things but running a team with the right help and the right PR I think it will be fine (well I hope it will) if you speak to many riders who rode for him none (apart from one who it was well documented) will tell you bowden treated them poorly they were always paid and paid well. I dont think PL is viable in Plymouth that has been shown to be a fact and any promotion who takes over needs to start from the beginning and build it back up at that will mean the National League if you want Plymouth Speedway to succeed then you have to be realistic and back whoever comes into the promotion and whatever league you go into.. its people with views like yours that will help the failing of the team just my opinion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 Beautifully put. The facts as hard as they may seem are Plymouth cannot continue to run/build teams that the gates do not support - PL Riders have lost rust in the club regarding being paid so would make signings difficult - PL/NL If Plymouth built a PL team that was affordable it most likely would not be competitive - PL Geographically Plymouth is not appealing to riders/supporters for Friday night travel. PL/NL Would a team be sustainable based upon 2016 crowd figures minus 100 who would stay away for reasons various - NL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 seems like there are existing NL teams who survive with very few paying fans..so can be done.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 Mike Bowden has a very firm financial backing.. yes his PR is not great but i hope he has changed in 4 years or gets someone to do that side.. he can organize he did well enough to build the place and get it open every weekend and get riders every where.. motivation comes from the team manager and with Lee at the helm thats also fine.. http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/mike-bowden-makes-his-move-to-save-city-speedway-club-plymouth-devils/story-29822816-detail/story.html good luck to Mike i hope he gets it back and brings back the 800+ crowd and gives Plymouth a team to be proud of again.. Mike in fact worked very well with the other local teams i remember them going to Plymouth Argyle and ripping up and down the side of the pitch at the half time break on the bikes.. I'll be surprised if Lee is your team manager if Bowden is in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 I'll be surprised if Lee is your team manager if Bowden is in charge. it wont be my team manager.. but that will be Lee's choice.. he did a superb job with the team the past few years if he didnt then I am sure someone else would do it with as much passion well i hope they would.. so let me get this right.. everyone moans oh no Plymouth may be gone not good times... then someone who previuosly took the team in the National League to lead the NL and have some very memorable battles with Scunny etc.. you all bad mouth it.. that is why this sport is going down hil.. instead of backing the guy who you may not have confidence or like very much when he wants to save speedway.. you would rather bad mouth that guy.. why should he bother.. let the team die into the dust.. then you will all have something more to moan about.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 I'm not bad mouthing anybody. I for one would like nothing better than to see Plymouth survive as it's a cracking little track. All I said was that I'd be surprised if Lee was team manager if Bowden was running it. Lee quit the job at the end of Bowden's last season in charge. He took the job on again when the promotion changed. I just hope someone somewhere can save you devils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 I'm not bad mouthing anybody. I for one would like nothing better than to see Plymouth survive as it's a cracking little track. All I said was that I'd be surprised if Lee was team manager if Bowden was running it. Lee quit the job at the end of Bowden's last season in charge. He took the job on again when the promotion changed. I just hope someone somewhere can save you devils. This is incorrect lee has never quit the job he was assistant manager with seemond stevens and then took the position on alone when seemond stood down. I would be surprized if bowden got the club anyway as i believe other parties are interested aswell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 ask Eastbourne or Birmingham if they are content in the NL after losing money hand over fist in the EL NL offers lower wages to payout , less traveling and a chance to make some money. I personally hope that Plymouth go in to the. NL and start a new era for Plymouth. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) Bowden is not the only party interested in taking the club on but he is trying to give that impression through local press and media where other people go about their business in a different more discreet way. Yes nl is an option but depending on what re-stucturing within british speedway comes out of the agm if any then pl may still appeal to some potential owners. I expect some major changes personally which may just suit plymouth heres hoping! Edited October 20, 2016 by lewy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 . I expect some major changes personally which may just suit plymouth heres hoping! i would have thought plymouth offering sensible points money ,deals would be a start 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.