Poole 2017

[foreverblue]

You do realise this is a watered down league and this year Morris will be active and double up.Doyle/Ellis against Andersen/Young Holder i am quite happy with what we have.

But with that comparison Poole will have over 4 points left to strengthen the rest of the team.

A better balanced team but not a better one great news for the rest of the league certainly the one who might get Holder seniors services.

It will be a better team overall.

[Sidney the robin]

But with that comparison Poole will have over 4 points left to strengthen the rest of the team.

It will be a better team overall.

I think not no big hitter KK is a hit or miss rider and that comes from me who is a big fan of his at home fine away who knows.

[ray c]

But there is a lot of difference between 10.01 and 12.53, it is a great shame Chris Holder is not back at Poole but by letting him go we have a better balanced team.

sooner have Chris riding for us than against us

[Gavan]

But there is a lot of difference between 10.01 and 12.53, it is a great shame Chris Holder is not back at Poole but by letting him go we have a better balanced team.

There is but apparantly according to some Hans will not be the top average ride at Poole next year.

 

So who will be higher then 10.01 that will come in and be better than Holder?

[foamfence]

It may well do,but has this been confirmed anywhere?Or is it just another rumour started on the BSF.

No, I've read it from several sources.

[foreverblue]

I think not no big hitter KK is a hit or miss rider and that comes from me who is a big fan of his at home fine away who knows.

Who said we are getting KK?

There is but apparantly according to some Hans will not be the top average ride at Poole next year.

 

So who will be higher then 10.01 that will come in and be better than Holder?

Whoever it is won't be better than Holder but they won't be 12.53 average either so we will have more points for the bottom end which is the way Matt Ford has decided to go, we have had top heavy teams in the past and it doesn't always work.

[Joe Beevers]

I think Joe you are well over the top on your comments does Gavan care what Adam's father thinks.?He said he rates Ellis i do to but at that time i felt Bates deserved the knod over Adam just as Gavan did only a opinion no more.Myself being a Swindon fan i am chuffed with the Adam signing our gain hope he has a great season.

Perhaps I was a little over the top but there was just so much wrong with the post, I just didn't know if he actually could make a post of fact or if he just didn't know what was what.

 

I think from posts the other day I read from his, he did seem to want to backtrack to Adam's father and perhaps suck up was a bit strong so apologies for that.

[foreverblue]

 

Jack Holder will be a second string for us.

 

We will either go 1. KK 3. Brady 5. Hans or 1. Hans 3. Brady 5. Harris

Not sure about that, i think Matt may have a surprise up his sleeve.

[Sidney the robin]

Gavan give it a rest please.

 

MF knows what he is doing and that is that. Best promoter in British speedway who builds teams to win and not teams to make up the numbers,.

They did last year🤓 Edited November 12, 2016 by Sidney the robin

[Sidney the robin]

Perhaps I was a little over the top but there was just so much wrong with the post, I just didn't know if he actually could make a post of fact or if he just didn't know what was what.

I think from posts the other day I read from his, he did seem to want to backtrack to Adam's father and perhaps suck up was a bit strong so apologies for that.

From what i can remember Adam's dad responded back to him which is great after all it is only an opinion.

[Joe Beevers]

Ok lets look at your post paragraph by paragraph.

Yes the Poole promotion are daft for not picking a rider, thats my opinion.

Do i think they are daft over the years? No there trophies back that up, thats my opinion.

Do i have honesty and unbiased opinions? Yes im honest in my opinion is they are daft for letting him go.

 

I have no need to suck up to Adams father lol. He took issue with me telling him Bates should have been in the World Cup team instead of Adam, an opinion i stand by. Time has proven that Adam improved more than Bates. Funnily enough his dad thinks he has been treated poorly, guess he is biased.

 

Greg Hancock won the world title but was he the best rider in the world last year? No it was Doyle, think you will find 99% of people on here would agree with that. ANd yes Lambert is the best young brit but maybe Adam is more promising.

 

And Hans might not be number 1 and thank you for your concern over my eyesight. Just funny how the usual Poole fans bang on about Holder being to high yet they are looking for a rider above 10.01 to be number one? Erm you just let him go!!

So back up your opinions with your stats than sir.

 

Being honest to yourself and bearing in mind the averages, who would you have left out of your own team if you were building your own team and had to use riders from 7-8 average but of:

 

Ellis 7.8

Kurtz 7.65

Holder 7.14

 

I respect they are your opinions but in my unbiased opinion they don't seem sensible. I haven't seen you post much on any of the teams threads like I have, so I cannot comment on your other opinions for other teams although to be fair not many teams have named riders.

 

I think everyone thinks Holder's average is high. Even Mauger in his prime would have found that average tough to have maintained. Jason Doyle's is the worst however and is just speedway being ridiculous. My opinion is that the averages should have been capped at 12 as points wise it makes no sense or do you not agree in your opinion?

[Sidney the robin]

MF always throws in a surprise.

 

Maksym Drabik maybe

 

We would of won the league if it wasn't for injuries.

 

But we never so onwards and upwards in 2017

I thought you were a Peterborough supporter😂 Edited November 12, 2016 by Sidney the robin

[Joe Beevers]

From what i can remember Adam's dad responded back to him which is great after all it is only an opinion.

Opinions can be rude,slanderous and hurtful and sometimes silence is golden.

[Sidney the robin]

So back up your opinions with your stats than sir.

Being honest to yourself and bearing in mind the averages, who would you have left out of your own team if you were building your own team and had to use riders from 7-8 average but of:

Ellis 7.8

Kurtz 7.65

Holder 7.14

I respect they are your opinions but in my unbiased opinion they don't seem sensible. I haven't seen you post much on any of the teams threads like I have, so I cannot comment on your other opinions for other teams although to be fair not many teams have named riders.

I think everyone thinks Holder's average is high. Even Mauger in his prime would have found that average tough to have maintained. Jason Doyle's is the worst however and is just speedway being ridiculous. My opinion is that the averages should have been capped at 12 as points wise it makes no sense or do you not agree in your opinion?

I would of kept those three Joe with Chris/Newman and Blackburn as a two pointer and another.

Opinions can be rude,slanderous and hurtful and sometimes silence is golden.

There was no nastiness as i can remember it is like going to watch your son play football .He gets unfair critisism hard to take but thats life but you are right it does mean it is right though. Edited November 12, 2016 by Sidney the robin

[Gavan]

So back up your opinions with your stats than sir.

Being honest to yourself and bearing in mind the averages, who would you have left out of your own team if you were building your own team and had to use riders from 7-8 average but of:

Ellis 7.8

Kurtz 7.65

Holder 7.14

I respect they are your opinions but in my unbiased opinion they don't seem sensible. I haven't seen you post much on any of the teams threads like I have, so I cannot comment on your other opinions for other teams although to be fair not many teams have named riders.

I think everyone thinks Holder's average is high. Even Mauger in his prime would have found that average tough to have maintained. Jason Doyle's is the worst however and is just speedway being ridiculous. My opinion is that the averages should have been capped at 12 as points wise it makes no sense or do you not agree in your opinion?

why leave any of them out? Put Holder snr in with Newman and that would never get beat at home. Why cap Doyles average?? In most meetings he would get 5 points more than Ellis or Jack Holder so his average is correct for this format! You suggesting you cap riders at 12 is foolish. You cant multiply some by 1.4 and not others!

[Sidney the robin]

He does it for reaction Lisa. Last year he spent the first half of the season slagging off Newman and Ellis, then had to backtrack faster than Lilly Savages wig flying off in a hurricane. He went on and on about Bates better than Adam, that Newman was just a reserve that never improves, then when he realised Ellis was in another league compared to Bates had to change his tune very quickly when it was obvious from the start Adam had far more potential.

Now suddenly when Poole couldn't fit him in the team, he is the best young Brit out there! Lol! We have been saying that for months!

And now he believes Hans is our number one! He's going to be pi55ed when he sees the lineup. Lol!

Still, he will continue to troll the Poole threads. Just glad I don't read them unless they get quoted.

But Bates beat him AGAIN at Sheffield give young Bates the credit he deserves another talented lad.

[LisaColette]

But Bates beat him AGAIN at Sheffield give young Bates the credit he deserves another talented lad.

Wow, he beat him at his home track and tell me who would win at Poole or even Swindon?

[waiheke1]

So back up your opinions with your stats than sir.

 

Being honest to yourself and bearing in mind the averages, who would you have left out of your own team if you were building your own team and had to use riders from 7-8 average but of:

 

Ellis 7.8

Kurtz 7.65

Holder 7.14

 

I respect they are your opinions but in my unbiased opinion they don't seem sensible. I haven't seen you post much on any of the teams threads like I have, so I cannot comment on your other opinions for other teams although to be fair not many teams have named riders.

 

I think everyone thinks Holder's average is high. Even Mauger in his prime would have found that average tough to have maintained. Jason Doyle's is the worst however and is just speedway being ridiculous. My opinion is that the averages should have been capped at 12 as points wise it makes no sense or do you not agree in your opinion?

Actually agree with the first part of this. I've stated repeatedly that bib think Ellis' average was right. But I can understand Poole not picking him, as of the middle order I think b kurtz j holder and Newman are all better value on their lower averages.

Disagree re holder and Doyle though. Don't look at the absolute value of the average, look at it compared to others, and be aware that the league is built to a points limit 15% higher than will be achieved. Is holder worth 2.5 points more than say Hans or fricke? I would say yes. Again, that doesn't mean poole are foolish not hiring him, justvtgatvthey are aiming to build in a less top heavy way.

[Sidney the robin]

Wow, he beat him at his home track and tell me who would win at Poole or even Swindon?

Lisa surely you havent got blue tinted glasses!!! have a look at the international meetings record.Why dont you look at it another way both are talented lads see what happens in the future.

[Joe Beevers]

why leave any of them out? Put Holder snr in with Newman and that would never get beat at home. Why cap Doyles average?? In most meetings he would get 5 points more than Ellis or Jack Holder so his average is correct for this format! You suggesting you cap riders at 12 is foolish. You cant multiply some by 1.4 and not others!

But the problem is I read somewhere that Hans Andersen and possibly Gomolski were promised to be in the 2017 team. If those promises were made, that leaves you with possibly no Chris Holder and no Adam Ellis I am guessing.

 

To be honest, I don't really care what the lineup is, but I just found the majority of your opinions to be factually incorrect and biased. Poole know more than you and I do, so we need should leave it at that.

 

Actually agree with the first part of this. I've stated repeatedly that bib think Ellis' average was right. But I can understand Poole not picking him, as of the middle order I think b kurtz j holder and Newman are all better value on their lower averages.

Disagree re holder and Doyle though. Don't look at the absolute value of the average, look at it compared to others, and be aware that the league is built to a points limit 15% higher than will be achieved. Is holder worth 2.5 points more than say Hans or fricke? I would say yes. Again, that doesn't mean poole are foolish not hiring him, justvtgatvthey are aiming to build in a less top heavy way.

But in all the years having followed speedway, it does look stupid having a 13.70 average. And as I said before even Mauger would have struggled to maintain that average.

 

The league isn't that much weaker than last year. A lot of riders won't hit their averages in my opinion and changes under a possible different average format may take place although obviously there is no guarantee but only going on hearsay of a recent post mentioned in the Somerset thread.