g13webb Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 What is more important, being Exciting or Winning? Every team can be exciting, but only one team can actually be winners. The\ excitement is what will put bums on seats and riders like Garrity will provide all the excitement a team wants. Give me excitement over winners everytime..... and riders like Garrity, and Lambert, should be the first names on the list.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Does it nmatter, it's all about the Pirates giving him a job in 2017 after racing so well for you in 2016! Doesn't matter that he rode in 2016, he doesn't have a divine right to be re-employed, most riders will be changing teams with the new rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Ellis could easily be fitted in His average fits in with all the other young brits, higher than Newman and Howarth, and lower than Garrity or Lambert. Even his dad has been saying its ridiculous how he is out of a team place but jonny foreigner can come in with loads of sponsorship. Its left a bad taste with most Poole fans on here that Matt Ford has told him already that he isnt part of the plans. Seem to remember Poole doing this before sacking Howarth for Mickey Dyer. Why? Nobody has really done any team building yet. Ellis scored heavily from number 2 at Poole last season, getting 7 and 8 points a meeting. If he goes to another home track then he could be seen as a risk as he would need time to get used to the track He would be no risk for Poole at all Why are you banging on about Ellis? Every team had 2 young Brits last year. They're not all going to be back at the same club this year. Teams have to looks at the points limit, look at the average and then try to put together the best possible team within those constraints. And that's it. What is more important, being Exciting or Winning? Every team can be exciting, but only one team can actually be winners. The\ excitement is what will put bums on seats and riders like Garrity will provide all the excitement a team wants. Give me excitement over winners everytime..... and riders like Garrity, and Lambert, should be the first names on the list.... I'm not so sure. I would say being winners is what gets the crowd in. If a team is losing people go home disruntled and don't always come back until the team starts winning again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Why are you banging on about Ellis? Every team had 2 young Brits last year. They're not all going to be back at the same club this year. Teams have to looks at the points limit, look at the average and then try to put together the best possible team within those constraints. And that's it. I'm not so sure. I would say being winners is what gets the crowd in. If a team is losing people go home disruntled and don't always come back until the team starts winning again. Quite right, very well put. I went to Kings Lynn for the Poole meeting there and the crowd was very poor, that is solely down to the team not winning, fans give up on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 At least he let him know early so can get fixed up, rather than making him wait. Gavan - you were slagging Ellis off at the end of last season saying he wasn't good enough to be in top 5 cos he was struggling away from home and now you say he's the best thing since sliced bread? Is this your anti Poole stuff again? Ford wouldn't have made him wait he doesn't own him he can do what he likes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_O Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Doesn't matter that he rode in 2016, he doesn't have a divine right to be re-employed, most riders will be changing teams with the new rules. Therein lies one of the major reasons Speedway falls further into obscurity. Adam Ellis young and talented English rider who had an excellent season and would only get better, not considered and has beens and proven failures like Batchelor, Watt and Bjerre thought to be better value 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Therein lies one of the major reasons Speedway falls further into obscurity. Adam Ellis young and talented English rider who had an excellent season and would only get better, not considered and has beens and proven failures like Batchelor, Watt and Bjerre thought to be better value 100% correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) Seem to remember Poole doing this before sacking Howarth for Mickey Dyer. Any chance you could stop trolling, Gavan? I've explained to you several times already, Howarth went as part of a double change in May, when Ward was badly injured. They were replaced by THJ and Pawlicki. Dyer replaced Stachyra much later on in the season. Also, worth pointing out that Ellis hasn't been sacked, he just hasn't yet been offered a contract. The makeup of most speedway teams change year on year, it's the way it's been for years, and will continue to be while there's a points limit. Edited November 9, 2016 by Nellie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Just to be clear Matt Ford has said its 'unlikely' that Adam Ellis can be fitted in to Poole's 1-7 (despite him arguing that Adam's average should be calculated differently at the AGM due to him not riding PL. One EL club argued vociferously against it - I wonder who that was??). Lets just wait and see. You never know whoever the new main team sponsor is may well be an Ellis fan!!!?? Incidentally, the reason Gomolski appears in some suggested Poole line-ups is because he was 'promised' a 2017 team place at the end of the 2015 season when he effectively won the play-off final!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Am sure Ellis will get a team place elsewhere. but can understand ford not picking him for 17 as holder kurtz batch Newman all seem to offer slightly better value for those middle order positions. Don't see why they should be criticised for that might change my mind if they replaced him with gomolski though. Just hope Milik isn't allowed in on an artificially low average from 14/15. Am sure Ellis will get a team place elsewhere. but can understand ford not picking him for 17 as holder kurtz batch Newman all seem to offer slightly better value for those middle order positions. Don't see why they should be criticised for that might change my mind if they replaced him with gomolski though. Just hope Milik isn't allowed in on an artificially low average from 14/15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttons Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 We all know if it was another club that had not renewed Ellis' contract, very little would have been said a few moans and groans here or there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Just to be clear Matt Ford has said its 'unlikely' that Adam Ellis can be fitted in to Poole's 1-7 (despite him arguing that Adam's average should be calculated differently at the AGM due to him not riding PL. One EL club argued vociferously against it - I wonder who that was??). Karma; "People who create their own drama, deserve their own karma"!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Karma; "People who create their own drama, deserve their own karma"!! You are just assuming it was Matt. Clearly you dont know and are guessing.. No suprise there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 You are just assuming it was Matt. Clearly you dont know and are guessing.. No suprise there... I think you need to re-read Skidders post!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 You are just assuming it was Matt. Clearly you dont know and are guessing.. No suprise there... Matt Ford states it in the local paper that he argued for Adam Ellis's average to be reduced. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) Matt Ford states it in the local paper that he argued for Adam Ellis's average to be reduced. Yep its a little rediculous. And i think the whole system wasnt given much thought. What happens in future seasons. ? Edited November 9, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Answer to Gavan's Q Because Gomolski is a better rider than Ellis. Maybe so, but that doesn't help Adam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluTiger Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Yep its a little rediculous. And i think the whole system wasnt given much thought. What happens in future seasons. ? I think this year will see the averages settle down to the 'norm,' and the inflated averages of some riders due to the EDR system will not be evident next year under the new format. I'm sure Poole will still track a strong team this year as Matt does know how to build a team... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 If Ellis wants to ride in this country then the signing of foreign riders on similar averages should be paused until he has a place. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Matt Ford states it in the local paper that he argued for Adam Ellis's average to be reduced. Thank God it wasn't as that would of really made a mockery of the rules, I really don't understand the issue? He has a true average that's being used that was obtained from the main body of the team in the EL, If he got a reduction it would open up the floodgates 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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