ray c Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 The only problem I have with Chris Holder is most of the season he was good in GP's and Poland but not so good over here. KK's average is nearly a point lower (I think!) may be a better option.sooner have Chris but how loyal are these riders now Chris never set the UK on season just gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 100% he should be in the team Dont know how it would work but if he was reserve he should be a 5.00 and if he is in the team proper then 4.0 - 4.5. The 'old' EDR riders should have weighted averages. Newman was in the reserve berth for nearly all matches so he should be a 5 if he continues there. Well that is some twisted logic if ever I've seen some - even for Gavan?! 5.00 if he's a reserve or 4-4.5 if in the 1-5?! Absolute 'losing the plot b/s'!! Kyle's 2017 average will be reassessed in line with every other 2016 EDR to an agreed formula. Whatever it turns out to be, if he is the lowest average rider in Poole's 1-7 or 1-6 then he'll be number 6 or 7 in the line-up!! If Poole decide to bring in other riders with lower (assessed?) averages then he'll be in the 1-5 or he'll look very reluctantly elsewhere for a team place. Highly unlikely as MF has already virtually guaranteed him a Poole team place subject to any team building curveballs thrown up at the AGM. sooner have Chris but how loyal are these riders now Chris never set the UK on season just gone Assuming Chris rides UK - and he says he wants to - then he will ride where he can be reasonably close to his son. If his son is staying put in Ringwood then Chris will be back at Poole - unless there is a 'no GP riders' rule introduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) Well that is some twisted logic if ever I've seen some - even for Gavan?! 5.00 if he's a reserve or 4-4.5 if in the 1-5?! Absolute 'losing the plot b/s'!! Kyle's 2017 average will be reassessed in line with every other 2016 EDR to an agreed formula. Whatever it turns out to be, if he is the lowest average rider in Poole's 1-7 or 1-6 then he'll be number 6 or 7 in the line-up!! If Poole decide to bring in other riders with lower (assessed?) averages then he'll be in the 1-5 or he'll look very reluctantly elsewhere for a team place. Highly unlikely as MF has already virtually guaranteed him a Poole team place subject to any team building curveballs thrown up at the AGM. Assuming Chris rides UK - and he says he wants to - then he will ride where he can be reasonably close to his son. If his son is staying put in Ringwood then Chris will be back at Poole - unless there is a 'no GP riders' rule introduced. Why is that losing the plot?? I would like to see averages that differ depending on team building. Newman, Steve Worrall, Josh Bates, Adam Ellis, Paul Starke for example. If they are included again as EDR's (which in my mind they shouldnt be) then their averages have to reflect their ability in that EDR position. Kyle Newman therefore be used either as an EDR as a 5 for example, but if he isnt on the EDR list then i think 5 is to high for him to ride in the main body so should be lower. Im actually stating something that would benefit Poole here!! Ok say they give Kyle an EDR spot and say he is a 5.0 average. If Poole then bring in 2 riders on lower averages Newman would be in the main body on a 5.0 average What im saying is that that is to high. Edited October 23, 2016 by Gavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted October 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 For goodness sake I am sick to death of reading about what average Kyle bloody newman should be on I mean he will be on what he is on fs. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 For goodness sake I am sick to death of reading about what average Kyle bloody newman should be on I mean he will be on what he is on fs.so am I don't care were he ride's in the team as long that he is in the teamg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Well that is some twisted logic if ever I've seen some - even for Gavan?! 5.00 if he's a reserve or 4-4.5 if in the 1-5?! Absolute 'losing the plot b/s'!! Did he actually say that? A varied average depending on where he rides? Thank go I don't have to read such drivel. Bwhahahahahaa! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Did he actually say that? A varied average depending on where he rides? Thank go I don't have to read such drivel. Bwhahahahahaa! Ah bless your little cotton socks. Talking of drivel your still in that cloud cuckoo land that keeps banging the 3.79 drum And as i said he should have a lower average if he rides in the main body then that benefits Poole?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 What's this I hear Newman has signed for next year on a 3.79 average - bargain I say 😁 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Can't agree that a riders average should be dictated by where he will ride at the start of the season, when within a month that place on the team could change. It should be weighted based on where he rode in 16 - as kyle spent most of the season at reserve, he should get more of a reduction than say Ellis, who ride at 2nd string most of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 What's this I hear Newman has signed for next year on a 3.79 average - bargain I say 😁Got my popcorn at the ready! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Why is that losing the plot?? I would like to see averages that differ depending on team building. Newman, Steve Worrall, Josh Bates, Adam Ellis, Paul Starke for example. If they are included again as EDR's (which in my mind they shouldnt be) then their averages have to reflect their ability in that EDR position. Kyle Newman therefore be used either as an EDR as a 5 for example, but if he isnt on the EDR list then i think 5 is to high for him to ride in the main body so should be lower. Im actually stating something that would benefit Poole here!! Ok say they give Kyle an EDR spot and say he is a 5.0 average. If Poole then bring in 2 riders on lower averages Newman would be in the main body on a 5.0 average What im saying is that that is to high. Cant see how you can have different averages for their position in the team, far too complicated, the rules need simplifying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 So long as the rules of the EDR's are clear, transparent and fair for all then no one can have an issue. PL averages are now irrelevant anyway as most riders have a season or 2 of having an actual EL average.maybe they could take their performances as an EDR and divide it by their PL average to give a realistic figure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 So Kyles 3.79 means he is nailed on at reserve. With rumours of Ellis on a 3.0 using his NL average, we have our bottom two sorted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 If Newman has signed before the AGM I hope the other promoters make up rules to screw over Poole. Then when the Poole fans complain we can quote them all from 2010s AGM when they said Coventry shouldn't have revealed their hand before the AGM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 So Kyles 3.79 means he is nailed on at reserve. With rumours of Ellis on a 3.0 using his NL average, we have our bottom two sorted. Fishing again - what a surprise! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 So long as the rules of the EDR's are clear, transparent and fair for all then no one can have an issue. PL averages are now irrelevant anyway as most riders have a season or 2 of having an actual EL average.maybe they could take their performances as an EDR and divide it by their PL average to give a realistic figure? The EDR is not a fair reflection of a rider's ability so It should not be used when gauging an average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 With rumours of Ellis on a 3.0 using his NL average, we have our bottom two sorted. Ellis will surely be at Lakeside on that average if it is confirmed, as ridiculous as it is. Are you going to resign Kurtz? What a GP debut that was endangering anyone he got close to... yet finishing last Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 If Lakeside don't want Ellis on a rumoured 3.0 ave then there must be some dodgy dealings going on!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Ellis will surely be at Lakeside on that average if it is confirmed, as ridiculous as it is. Are you going to resign Kurtz? What a GP debut that was endangering anyone he got close to... yet finishing last I have said before i dont think Fricke or Kurtz will make gp standard but Jack Holder will in my opinion, they all have time on their side but i think Jack has what it takes although the others could develop later like Doyle has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naffer Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Ellis on a 3 comedy gold ,that means James sarjeant must be on -1 and josh bates 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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