Poole 2017

[BurntFaceMan]

Ask the fans of the rest of the league what they think of your post.and some proper Poole fans.

Win at all costs,treat riders like rubbish.They have bills too

You Matts or Midlos love child

It doesn't matter what you or any other fan thinks. The league is in the gutter, our tracks are the worst in the world, our attendances are pi$$ poor and nobody of any notability wants to ride over here.

 

If every team had a Matt Ford at the helm 10 years ago, the sport would be far better off. Promoters and fans who care more about giving riders great big cuddles when they are under performing than actually taking action and getting their arses into gear are the kind of promoters and fans who let us sleep walk into this mess to begin with.

 

You can pretend everything is rosy and Matt Ford is the source of all evil, but it won't matter one iota when the current pensioner audiences kick the bucket and you don't have a British speedway league to follow.

 

Wake up.

[SteveLyric2]

Well Adam Ellis' dad had something to say about loyalty the other day on this forum (or lack of it) Post #6217 on this thread!

I'm aware of what Adam's dad said (and also Kyle's for that matter) so presumably that means that if Poole offer either or both a contract for 2018, they (or their dads) will turn it down?!

[A ORLOV]

 

It doesn't matter what you or any other fan thinks. The league is in the gutter, our tracks are the worst in the world, our attendances are pi$$ poor and nobody of any notability wants to ride over here.

 

If every team had a Matt Ford at the helm 10 years ago, the sport would be far better off. Promoters and fans who care more about giving riders great big cuddles when they are under performing than actually taking action and getting their arses into gear are the kind of promoters and fans who let us sleep walk into this mess to begin with.

 

You can pretend everything is rosy and Matt Ford is the source of all evil, but it won't matter one iota when the current pensioner audiences kick the bucket and you don't have a British speedway league to follow.

 

Wake up.

You are right about a Matt type person in charge of each club would have grabbed the league by the gonads and improved it, unfortunately a lot of the owners etc have wanted to dumb down the sport and have continued with daft team av limits etc, many of which rules have forced a rider that has improved, out of the league.

A squad system is required to start with but unfortunately, this is going to cost more, but British Speedway has not been able to get major sponsors or income in addition to the TV money in to finance any improvement in the sport. Now it looks like a possibility that the TV money might dry up, so what will happen then as I can see many clubs closing or downsizing.

I have not always agreed with Matts actions or views but someone needs to get hold of speedway and give it a massive shake up or it will die.

The people who control British Speedway should have had a cut of the income from the World Championships and other World competitions but they were too busy pi##ing about with the league rules and had no foresight and very little business skill. Money coming into the sport in the good times was wasted and some of it could have been invested to improve speedway.

Edited July 24, 2017 by A ORLOV

[chris4gillian]

 

It doesn't matter what you or any other fan thinks. The league is in the gutter, our tracks are the worst in the world, our attendances are pi$$ poor and nobody of any notability wants to ride over here.

 

If every team had a Matt Ford at the helm 10 years ago, the sport would be far better off. Promoters and fans who care more about giving riders great big cuddles when they are under performing than actually taking action and getting their arses into gear are the kind of promoters and fans who let us sleep walk into this mess to begin with.

 

You can pretend everything is rosy and Matt Ford is the source of all evil, but it won't matter one iota when the current pensioner audiences kick the bucket and you don't have a British speedway league to follow.

 

Wake up.

 

I bring the right honourable posters attention to Jason Doyle (arguably currently the best rider in the world), Freddie Lindgren and Chris Holder all of whom are long standing riders of notability still riding over here and I'd bet all 3 still will be next year too! In addition we have Kenneth Bjerre, Batch, Hans Andersen, Bomber and Rory Schlein who again I suggest are pretty notable. On top of that there's a number of younger up and coming riders such as Brady Kurtz, Jack Holder, Robert Lambert and Max Fricke etc. who once again are pretty notable IMO.

[KN1]

I'm aware of what Adam's dad said (and also Kyle's for that matter) so presumably that means that if Poole offer either or both a contract for 2018, they (or their dads) will turn it down?!

I directly have not said much Clive, and certainly do not have any say on who Kyle signs for.

[gimli27]

I understand the reason ( in Matts eyes) his reason for dropping Kyle it is his club after all it was the dreaded numbers game but if Kyle was the first name on the team sheet for next year I will be happy was gutted for him on his first meeting for the lions he must deserve an injury free run by now

[stevebrum]

Just to be clear Eddie Kennett is not coming in as a 2nd string. He will come in as 3rd heat leader and going by what he has said himself will start at number 3 in the riding order. Hans will go to 1 until Brady returns on August 10th unless in that time Hans gets a higher average?!

 

The interesting thing for me is who will ride at number 5? Richie, Jack or Timo?

Really doesn't matter about the averages of those below the number one. Only the top averaged has to ride at number. The other 4 can ride at any other number in the top 5.

[BurntFaceMan]

 

I bring the right honourable posters attention to Jason Doyle (arguably currently the best rider in the world), Freddie Lindgren and Chris Holder all of whom are long standing riders of notability still riding over here and I'd bet all 3 still will be next year too! In addition we have Kenneth Bjerre, Batch, Hans Andersen, Bomber and Rory Schlein who again I suggest are pretty notable. On top of that there's a number of younger up and coming riders such as Brady Kurtz, Jack Holder, Robert Lambert and Max Fricke etc. who once again are pretty notable IMO.

 

You're clutching at straws there mate.

 

3 GP riders is pathetic. There should be a GP rider at every top flight club.

 

Most of the remaining riders you named don't even compete in top flight speedway abroad, and the up and coming ones are certainly not notable and only race here because they aren't good enough to race elsewhere yet.

 

It's this constant pretending that everything is ok that allows this farce to continue.

[Steve0]

Just to be clear Eddie Kennett is not coming in as a 2nd string. He will come in as 3rd heat leader and going by what he has said himself will start at number 3 in the riding order. Hans will go to 1 until Brady returns on August 10th unless in that time Hans gets a higher average?!

 

The interesting thing for me is who will ride at number 5? Richie, Jack or Timo?

It doesn't really matter whether he is second string or heat leader. As he is in the top 5 and not the #1 rider, he can ride at any position from 2-5.

 

Oops - just noticed that stevebrum said the same above.

Edited July 24, 2017 by Steve0

[Sidney the robin]

You're clutching at straws there mate.

 

3 GP riders is pathetic. There should be a GP rider at every top flight club.

 

Most of the remaining riders you named don't even compete in top flight speedway abroad, and the up and coming ones are certainly not notable and only race here because they aren't good enough to race elsewhere yet.

 

It's this constant pretending that everything is ok that allows this farce to continue.

Who pays for these GP riders ?? you are in cloud cookoo land those days are long gone and why would riders ride here rather than in Poland and Sweden.If Doyle is WC i recon he wont ride next year in the UK for me i would build British Speedway without the Gp riders reinvent the league build to the future.

[foreverblue]

I'm aware of what Adam's dad said (and also Kyle's for that matter) so presumably that means that if Poole offer either or both a contract for 2018, they (or their dads) will turn it down?!

Ah well the rider's themselves may have a different view !

[BurntFaceMan]

Who pays for these GP riders ?? you are in cloud cookoo land those days are long gone and why would riders ride here rather than in Poland and Sweden.If Doyle is WC i recon he wont ride next year in the UK for me i would build British Speedway without the Gp riders reinvent the league build to the future.

 

How old are you Sidney? Retirement age dare I say? How exactly are they going to reinvent the league if there are no youngsters coming in to it? What sort of future are they going to have with the grandstands full of 60 somethings?

 

You're not going to attract fresh blood to the sport running it like dinosaurs and paying for it with pensioners. You need to attract youngsters in and that's not going to happen with amateur speedway riders. We live in a world where you can find far more exciting things to watch for free on your computer, so how will a bunch of amateur riders convince youngsters to part with cash?

 

All this long gone are the days drivel is nonsense! Speedway isn't suddenly a bad idea. People aren't suddenly being born uninterested in it. We are just as capable now of hosting bursting grandstands with top speedway stars as we've ever been. The problem is we're still charging top buck for utter crap and not doing anything to introduce newcomers to it.

 

You take a speedway virgin to a meeting and what do they get? £25 pi$$ed down the drain for an evening of successional "racing", track grading and a greasy burger. Why on earth would they ever come back?

 

Speedway needs to be a bigger show. It needs to go beyond just 15 heats of racing. You need to spend money to make money. They need to embrace the internet, embrace social media, embrace youth and they need to put on a bloody good show. And they need to do it fast. What they don't need to do is water it down year on year and pretend everything is rosy.

Edited July 24, 2017 by BurntFaceMan

[Sidney the robin]

How old are you Sidney? Retirement age dare I say? How exactly are they going to reinvent the league if there are no youngsters coming in to it? What sort of future are they going to have with the grandstands full of 60 somethings?

 

You're not going to attract fresh blood to the sport running it like dinosaurs and paying for it with pensioners. You need to attract youngsters in and that's not going to happen with amateur speedway riders. We live in a world where you can find far more exciting things to watch for free on your computer, so how will a bunch of amateur riders convince youngsters to part with cash?

 

All this long gone are the days drivel is nonsense! Speedway isn't suddenly a bad idea. People aren't suddenly being born uninterested in it. We are just as capable now of hosting bursting grandstands with top speedway stars as we've ever been. The problem is we're still charging top buck for utter crap and not doing anything to introduce newcomers to it.

 

You take a speedway virgin to a meeting and what do they get? £25 pi$$ed down the drain for an evening of successional "racing", track grading and a greasy burger. Why on earth would they ever come back?

 

Speedway needs to be a bigger show. It needs to go beyond just 15 heats of racing. You need to spend money to make money. They need to embrace the internet, embrace social media, embrace youth and they need to put on a bloody good show. And they need to do it fast. What they don't need to do is water it down year on year and pretend everything is rosy.

 

You see a different vision to me then and there are youngsters coming through ie i can name 6/8 Brits who are promising who could be the future.It is a MYTH about these GP stars making things better i think you are in your own little bubble with your own dreams that are pie in the sky.NL racing i have seen a bit and they have put on a good show and people have been entertained that shows it is the entertainment and value for money that matters.GP riders look i see Doyle everyweek what a pleasure it is but not every club now can afford one or two GP riders the money is not there.The series has killed our league it dictates our fixture list my preference would be to have one big league forget GP riders and employ riders who really want to be here spending money you haven't got is not an option.

[waiheke1]

Sid how many people attend an NL match. How many attend a Pl match. How many attend Cardiff. That shows its not just about the racing, people want to see top riders and preferably they want a decent stadium and entertainment beyond 15 minutes of racing.

[Sidney the robin]

Sid how many people attend an NL match. How many attend a Pl match. How many attend Cardiff. That shows its not just about the racing, people want to see top riders and preferably they want a decent stadium and entertainment beyond 15 minutes of racing.

In one apart from Manchester who has a decent stadium? i only care about British speedway so what would you propose to do with British speedway.? Myself i would like one big league with riders who want to ride in our leagues the days of top riders like Mauger/Olsen are long gone.I cant see any attraction of riding in Britain now for a GP star apart from a month or so for extra pocket money.

[chris4gillian]

 

You're clutching at straws there mate.

 

3 GP riders is pathetic. There should be a GP rider at every top flight club.

 

Most of the remaining riders you named don't even compete in top flight speedway abroad, and the up and coming ones are certainly not notable and only race here because they aren't good enough to race elsewhere yet.

 

It's this constant pretending that everything is ok that allows this farce to continue.

 

Maybe only 3 current GP riders, but also 4 ex-GP riders and another 4 (very potential) future GP riders. Jeez.

[Sidney the robin]

Maybe only 3 current GP riders, but also 4 ex-GP riders and another 4 (very potential) future GP riders. Jeez.

Chris our league is hanging on in there hard times ahead but i have enjoyed alot of meetings this year and it is not all doom and gloom.Also in the NL we have some fine young riders coming through so there is hope hopefully some of those will be the future of British Speedway.

[Crazy robin]

 

You're clutching at straws there mate.

 

3 GP riders is pathetic. There should be a GP rider at every top flight club.

 

Most of the remaining riders you named don't even compete in top flight speedway abroad, and the up and coming ones are certainly not notable and only race here because they aren't good enough to race elsewhere yet.

 

It's this constant pretending that everything is ok that allows this farce to continue.

Matt the great who has taken how many years to mess up a once great race track?.

 

How old are you Sidney? Retirement age dare I say? How exactly are they going to reinvent the league if there are no youngsters coming in to it? What sort of future are they going to have with the grandstands full of 60 somethings?

 

You're not going to attract fresh blood to the sport running it like dinosaurs and paying for it with pensioners. You need to attract youngsters in and that's not going to happen with amateur speedway riders. We live in a world where you can find far more exciting things to watch for free on your computer, so how will a bunch of amateur riders convince youngsters to part with cash?

 

All this long gone are the days drivel is nonsense! Speedway isn't suddenly a bad idea. People aren't suddenly being born uninterested in it. We are just as capable now of hosting bursting grandstands with top speedway stars as we've ever been. The problem is we're still charging top buck for utter crap and not doing anything to introduce newcomers to it.

 

You take a speedway virgin to a meeting and what do they get? £25 pi$$ed down the drain for an evening of successional "racing", track grading and a greasy burger. Why on earth would they ever come back?

 

Speedway needs to be a bigger show. It needs to go beyond just 15 heats of racing. You need to spend money to make money. They need to embrace the internet, embrace social media, embrace youth and they need to put on a bloody good show. And they need to do it fast. What they don't need to do is water it down year on year and pretend everything is rosy.

Yet Matt charges all the children who could be the next generation of fans & parents don't take them as a result.

 

Great business that decision is!!

 

How old are you Sidney? Retirement age dare I say? How exactly are they going to reinvent the league if there are no youngsters coming in to it? What sort of future are they going to have with the grandstands full of 60 somethings?

 

You're not going to attract fresh blood to the sport running it like dinosaurs and paying for it with pensioners. You need to attract youngsters in and that's not going to happen with amateur speedway riders. We live in a world where you can find far more exciting things to watch for free on your computer, so how will a bunch of amateur riders convince youngsters to part with cash?

 

All this long gone are the days drivel is nonsense! Speedway isn't suddenly a bad idea. People aren't suddenly being born uninterested in it. We are just as capable now of hosting bursting grandstands with top speedway stars as we've ever been. The problem is we're still charging top buck for utter crap and not doing anything to introduce newcomers to it.

 

You take a speedway virgin to a meeting and what do they get? £25 pi$$ed down the drain for an evening of successional "racing", track grading and a greasy burger. Why on earth would they ever come back?

 

Speedway needs to be a bigger show. It needs to go beyond just 15 heats of racing. You need to spend money to make money. They need to embrace the internet, embrace social media, embrace youth and they need to put on a bloody good show. And they need to do it fast. What they don't need to do is water it down year on year and pretend everything is rosy.

Yet Matt charges all the children who could be the next generation of fans & parents don't take them as a result.

 

Great business that decision is!!

[ray c]

Awful pricing for children at poole been like that for year's

[BurntFaceMan]

Matt the great who has taken how many years to mess up a once great race track?.

 

Yet Matt charges all the children who could be the next generation of fans & parents don't take them as a result.

 

Great business that decision is!!

 

Yet Matt charges all the children who could be the next generation of fans & parents don't take them as a result.

 

Great business that decision is!!

 

Unfortunately I feel Matt is planning his exit. There is only so long you can go on with everybody around you constantly cutting your profit opportunities.