foreverblue Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) Kyle Newman has been riding in the elite league longer than Cook but still gets a reduction based on his dodgy Premier League average?. The EDR has helped a few but there should be a limit of the time a rider is allowed to be their. He has an official PL average. It may be lower than you would expect but that is because he has struggled with injuries and took time to get his confidence back, for Poole he hasn't been at his best all season for the same reason. Edited October 17, 2016 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 He has an official PL average. It may be lower than you would expect but that is because he has struggled with injuries and took time to get his confidence back, for Poole he hasn't been at his best all season for the same reason. His form for Poole in the easy reserve berth has always been better than his PL form. Time for those established EDR riders to start using their EL averages or at least some conversion of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Why should Cook use his PL average? If they use PL averages it will only be for EDR riders. The fact EDRs could move into the top five for the first time has messed things up a bit. The Worralls have also highlighted a problem. Steve EDR rode most of the year in the top five whilst Richie non EDR rode at reserve. It's messed things up so the thinking now is all PL or none PL for team building with the former being preferred due to the leg up it gives the Brits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 The fact EDRs could move into the top five for the first time has messed things up a bit. The Worralls have also highlighted a problem. Steve EDR rode most of the year in the top five whilst Richie non EDR rode at reserve. It's messed things up so the thinking now is all PL or none PL for team building with the former being preferred due to the leg up it gives the Brits. We know it messed things up, that's why we need a conversion. There is no way PL averages will be used for riders who have an established EL average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 We know it messed things up, that's why we need a conversion. There is no way PL averages will be used for riders who have an established EL average. They shouldn't be used for any other rider as well then. How a rider can go from a sub 6.5 average rider in the Premier League to someone who top scores in the Elite league play offs for 3 seasons on the trot is a question that needs answering?. Still meanwhile fans are lost to the sport so not as if it matters, does it?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 We know it messed things up, that's why we need a conversion. There is no way PL averages will be used for riders who have an established EL average. Like Kyle Newman? He has an established EL average so no PL conversion for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 A return to the old heats format for me and a point off all British riders averages in the EL & PL accross the board to make them more attractive than foreign imports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Like Kyle Newman? He has an established EL average so no PL conversion for him i agree it should be a conversion like the one worked out by SCB on another thread but only for EDR's. They shouldn't be used for any other rider as well then. How a rider can go from a sub 6.5 average rider in the Premier League to someone who top scores in the Elite league play offs for 3 seasons on the trot is a question that needs answering?. Still meanwhile fans are lost to the sport so not as if it matters, does it?. He scores well in the EL because he is riding against other EDR's most of the time, he is one of the best EDR's so that is no surprise is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Kyle Newman finished on 5.52 Apart from what 6 meetings? (a guess) he got that average from the reserve berth If it was solely gained form the reserve berth then it shouldnt change and thankfully the powers that be have said as much Still some harp on about premier league conversion...............it isnt going to happen!! Deduct Kyles average form the top 5 and if Poole want him as a reserve his average should be no less than 5. If Poole want him as a second string then yes do some sort of conversion and he should be about 4-4.5 Please can the same people stop going on and on about him being 3.79 in the reserve berth next season as it simply isnt going to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former devil Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) Kyle Newman has been riding in the elite league longer than Cook but still gets a reduction based on his dodgy Premier League average?. The EDR has helped a few but there should be a limit of the time a rider is allowed to be their. Totally agree with this opinion. I think riders should only be allowed to be EDR for a maximum of 2 years. It was meant to be for brining on the british youngsters. If they are not capable of holding down a 1-5 position after 2 years then they should have to make way for another brit to be given a chance to progress If Newman is allowed EDR for a 4th year that is ridiculous and blocking an opening for another brit to prove himself. Edited October 17, 2016 by Former devil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Kyle Newman finished on 5.52 Apart from what 6 meetings? (a guess) he got that average from the reserve berth If it was solely gained form the reserve berth then it shouldnt change and thankfully the powers that be have said as much Still some harp on about premier league conversion...............it isnt going to happen!! Deduct Kyles average form the top 5 and if Poole want him as a reserve his average should be no less than 5. If Poole want him as a second string then yes do some sort of conversion and he should be about 4-4.5 Please can the same people stop going on and on about him being 3.79 in the reserve berth next season as it simply isnt going to happen We all know your opinion but others are entitled to theirs. I am not saying who is right but nobody on this forum will be involved in making any of the final rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 We all know your opinion but others are entitled to theirs.Not in Gavan's world, and who else do we know that's like that? Yep, Gavan and Starman are practically twins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Not in Gavan's world, and who else do we know that's like that? Yep, Gavan and Starman are practically twins! Well they are twins that just don't get on then with each vying for the last word! I think Gavan tries to have a meaningful conversation but gets easily wound up by Starman and SS - although he has calmed down a bit since his last break - probably because Starman has been missing though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) Well they are twins that just don't get on then with each vying for the last word! I think Gavan tries to have a meaningful conversation but gets easily wound up by Starman and SS - although he has calmed down a bit since his last break - probably because Starman has been missing though! I havent responded to any of Gavans posts for months. Got him on block. No point in trying to debate with someone with hatred of all things Poole in his heart. Edited October 17, 2016 by Steve Shovlar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 i agree it should be a conversion like the one worked out by SCB on another thread but only for EDR's. He scores well in the EL because he is riding against other EDR's most of the time, he is one of the best EDR's so that is no surprise is it. Yet manages to beat heatleaders when the play offs come round each season. He's had 3 seasons as a draft reserve & any rider after that should be in the top 5 & not allowed to be a reserve anymore. Riders like Steve Worrall should also be the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 i agree it should be a conversion like the one worked out by SCB on another thread but only for EDR's. WHY only for edr? The whole reason for the flawed hl list this season was that 2nd strings have inflated averages compared to riders riding as hl. So someone like b kurtz for example has an inflated average compared to chris harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Yet manages to beat heatleaders when the play offs come round each season. He's had 3 seasons as a draft reserve & any rider after that should be in the top 5 & not allowed to be a reserve anymore. Riders like Steve Worrall should also be the same. If the edr is being scrapped, which would be a huge shame, then the two lowest averaged of the team sit in the reserve berths. Kyles average is low enough that it is more than likely he will be one of the reserves. Unless you want Poole to stick a second string or heat leader in a reserve berth to force Kyle into the top five. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 If the edr is being scrapped, which would be a huge shame, then the two lowest averaged of the team sit in the reserve berths. Kyles average is low enough that it is more than likely he will be one of the reserves. Unless you want Poole to stick a second string or heat leader in a reserve berth to force Kyle into the top five. Nobody knows what average Kyle will have though Steve but if the edr is binned then at least he'd be riding against reserves that he struggles to beat in the Premier League. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 If the edr is being scrapped, which would be a huge shame, then the two lowest averaged of the team sit in the reserve berths. Kyles average is low enough that it is more than likely he will be one of the reserves. Unless you want Poole to stick a second string or heat leader in a reserve berth to force Kyle into the top five. Kyle's EDR average won't be one of the lower averages which is not surprising. That's the best way to judge their abilities now. Their PL averages are now redundant. Hopefully the EDR's will stay, either one reserve or both. So long as they come up with a fair way of assessing their averages as converting PL averages is no longer a valid way for the reserves. Ellis who has no PL averages has already proved he can hold his own in the EL. So he couldn't possibly be assessed as a 3 because that would be completely barking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Nobody knows what average Kyle will have though Steve but if the edr is binned then at least he'd be riding against reserves that he struggles to beat in the Premier League. If the reserves at the start of the season have to be two Brits he will likely be facing riders of the same standard of this past season. I hope they retain the edr its helped bring on some riders and better to have two Brit edrs than jonny foreigner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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