Steve0 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 I am laughing reading the anti Poole brigade running around like headless chickens because Kyle has a sub four average, calling him a ringer etc. Got news for ya. He is a sub four rider. His average proves it and he is one of our reserves next season! All this should be a 5+ is nonsense. Next year hopefully he will be but currently his average doesn't lie. :rofl: The only nonsense is coming from you - quelle surprise!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 I am laughing reading the anti Poole brigade running around like headless chickens because Kyle has a sub four average, calling him a ringer etc. Got news for ya. He is a sub four rider. His average proves it and he is one of our reserves next season! All this should be a 5+ is nonsense. Next year hopefully he will be but currently his average doesn't lie. So you are still going on about his PL average.If they were to use them,then surely the likes of Rose,Jacobs and Clegg should have their averages reduced even further as they have inflated averages through riding at reserve all season.Whereas Newman has been riding as HL. I suppose you would be against that as well as it wouldn't benefit Newman/Poole. Easiest and simplest way is to take their averages from the time the EDRs spent at reserve and convert them.Look at the bigger picture SS and see what benefits British speedway and not just Poole speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 LOLing at all the "Newman is only worth X amount" he achieved his average the same way as everyone else. Why should Newman and Ellis get any kind of reduction? You either need to weight all averages (check out my averages thread) or you have to give all riders their achieved averages. You can't just make up averages for riders or use PL averages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 LOLing at all the "Newman is only worth X amount" he achieved his average the same way as everyone else. Why should Newman and Ellis get any kind of reduction? You either need to weight all averages (check out my averages thread) or you have to give all riders their achieved averages. You can't just make up averages for riders or use PL averages! Apparently you can in Dorset land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 LOLing at all the "Newman is only worth X amount" he achieved his average the same way as everyone else. Why should Newman and Ellis get any kind of reduction? You either need to weight all averages (check out my averages thread) or you have to give all riders their achieved averages. You can't just make up averages for riders or use PL averages! Try telling SS that.For what it's worth i think you are pretty much spot on with how you weighted the averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Shovlar yet again showing his lack of knowledge. Newman achieved his average from RESERVE!!! barring about 5 meetings. So he averaged 5.6 less his time in the main team makes him about a 5. To be fair it is only 1 Poole fan that still thinks the premier league conversion is in place for next season lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perton Wolf Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Strong rumours tonight at Poole that Rye House replace Leicester in the 2017 EL. Rye House and Ipswich is what I heard a few weeks ago, with Leicester dropping down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Barmy to use PL averages for EDR riders, they should only have been used for the first year when there was no other barometer. What a rider did or didn't achieve after that has little resemblance on their EL status, and has massive potential for fiddling. Time this part of the system was confined to the bin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted October 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Sorry I meant 5.00. Newman is 4.00 tops. I agree with you on Ellis though. Ellis should a 5.00 because Adam still scored big points riding at No.2 around Wimborne Road. Adam also chipped in with a few points away from home most of the time. Joe Jacobs should be a 3.00 because he is a one track pony. I wouldn't sign Jacobs on a 3.00 average anyway because he cant score a point away from home. Why? Newman had a home average of 4.33 in the 1-5 around Wimborne Road. Because I said so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 No. its the way its always been done. so were GP and Polish and Swedish EL riders always assessed as an 8 until mysteriously and conveniently until the news was released that Lindback AND all other similar standard riders would come in on a 7. If one of the 'it's always been done' can be changed then there is no certainty the PL averages will continue to be used as a way of establish their EL average. About time too. I am laughing reading the anti Poole brigade running around like headless chickens because Kyle has a sub four average, calling him a ringer etc. Got news for ya. He is a sub four rider. His average proves it and he is one of our reserves next season! All this should be a 5+ is nonsense. Next year hopefully he will be but currently his average doesn't lie. If he stays on that ridiculously low PL average then of course he will be a ringer, no different to Woffy's established average. Sense should be seen that with 3 years of EDR experience and averages to use its time to regrade those with those established EDR averages or take their actual EDR averages into account for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 I have sympathy with Ellis's cause, he had no PL spot last year. With Kurtz being fairly useless and the Speedway chicane B*yawn*e Pedersen spending most of the year at reserve, he had a rough year. Being forced into the main team for most of the year. He rode well to attain the average he did without having a PL spot and only riding CL. He above all others deserves a reduction for riding over half the season in the main body of the team, I would give the likes of Clegg & Eliis (NL riders) a 3.50 average for the start of the next EL season. Surely his parent club Lakeside will offer him a spot. I'd take him over Bridger for sure. Newman has spent far too long being a match winning reserve, Ellis is 20, Newman is 24. Give youth a chance. Whch is also why I'd give Bates an average reduction rather than Sarjent. Although Sarjent annoys me constantly trying to jump the gate. I haven't seen enough of the other ELD riders such as Rose & Lewis to comment. Don't think Jacobs will ever achieve anything away from the NSS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 I have sympathy with Ellis's cause, he had no PL spot last year. With Kurtz being fairly useless and the Speedway chicane B*yawn*e Pedersen spending most of the year at reserve, he had a rough year. Being forced into the main team for most of the year. He rode well to attain the average he did without having a PL spot and only riding CL. He above all others deserves a reduction for riding over half the season in the main body of the team, I would give the likes of Clegg & Eliis (NL riders) a 3.50 average for the start of the next EL season. Surely his parent club Lakeside will offer him a spot. I'd take him over Bridger for sure. Newman has spent far too long being a match winning reserve, Ellis is 20, Newman is 24. Give youth a chance. Whch is also why I'd give Bates an average reduction rather than Sarjent. Although Sarjent annoys me constantly trying to jump the gate. I haven't seen enough of the other ELD riders such as Rose & Lewis to comment. Don't think Jacobs will ever achieve anything away from the NSS. I think Steve Worrall was in the same position - spending most of the year in the 1-5 - and making a good job of it too - just like Ellis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) You cant pick and choose which riders get a reduction and which ones don't. Has to be the same across the board. Edited October 17, 2016 by Steve Shovlar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) I have sympathy with Ellis's cause, he had no PL spot last year. With Kurtz being fairly useless and the Speedway chicane B*yawn*e Pedersen spending most of the year at reserve, he had a rough year. Being forced into the main team for most of the year. He rode well to attain the average he did without having a PL spot and only riding CL. He above all others deserves a reduction for riding over half the season in the main body of the team, Ellis has a "reduction". Because he rode so much of the season in the 1-5 he had harder rides and kept his average down more than if he had been in reserve. If I had to sign an EDR, based on figures and what I saw this year, he'd be top of my list. Closely followed by Josh Bates. Edited October 17, 2016 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Looks like using PL averages is the way it's going. I'm obviously happy with it and the way it helps the Brits (yes, there are a few Aussies du/edr and even fewer from other nations). Cook coming in below 6, well I'd take it all day long. Back the Brits. Good times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Looks like using PL averages is the way it's going. I'm obviously happy with it and the way it helps the Brits (yes, there are a few Aussies du/edr and even fewer from other nations). Cook coming in below 6, well I'd take it all day long. Back the Brits. Good times. Why should Cook use his PL average? If they use PL averages it will only be for EDR riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 I have sympathy with Ellis's cause, he had no PL spot last year. But do we know if he was asked to ride PL? I hear that he was happy with EL and NL. I'm sure his dad would confirm either way. Why should Cook use his PL average? If they use PL averages it will only be for EDR riders. Think someone has made a mistake. Cook is an established EL heat leader, they haven't used his PL averages for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 But do we know if he was asked to ride PL? I hear that he was happy with EL and NL. I'm sure his dad would confirm either way. Think someone has made a mistake. Cook is an established EL heat leader, they haven't used his PL averages for a while now. Kyle Newman has been riding in the elite league longer than Cook but still gets a reduction based on his dodgy Premier League average?. The EDR has helped a few but there should be a limit of the time a rider is allowed to be their. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 But do we know if he was asked to ride PL? I hear that he was happy with EL and NL. I'm sure his dad would confirm either way. Believe he had offers but no room to fit them into his diary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzAssStar Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 You cant pick and choose which riders get a reduction and which ones don't. Has to be the same across the board particularly if the "system" works to the advantage of or can be manipulated by Poole. Couldn't agree more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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