tellboy Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Not sure why some are moaning about Kyle Newman at reserve. He has a pl average so will be a sub 4 pointer. Doubt there will be two riders with a lower average than Kyle so reserve it will be. Why convert an average from a different league with different riders,when you could just convert his average from the actual league he would be in.All the EDRs now have an EL average just convert those.You simply want his average converted from the PL as this would no doubt put him on a lower average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Why convert an average from a different league with different riders,when you could just convert his average from the actual league he would be in.All the EDRs now have an EL average just convert those.You simply want his average converted from the PL as this would no doubt put him on a lower average. No. its the way its always been done. The edr average is all over the place with some riders remaining at reserve most of the season while other riders have moved up into the team and remained there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 No. its the way its always been done. The edr average is all over the place with some riders remaining at reserve most of the season while other riders have moved up into the team and remained there.Yes. But it is simple enough to convert El averages, which are the releant ones here. SCB has done it for every roder who raced El in 16. By far the fairest way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former devil Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 I was told he said on the Poole forum that he was taking a break...? Definately isnt taking a break. If you say something he doesnt like expect to get a personal message from him telling you not to have an opinion!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 No. its the way its always been done. The edr average is all over the place with some riders remaining at reserve most of the season while other riders have moved up into the team and remained there. You may as well have Kyle at reserve until he retires 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 You may as well have Kyle at reserve until he retires If he improves enough to get out of the reserve berth then great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 No. its the way its always been done. The edr average is all over the place with some riders remaining at reserve most of the season while other riders have moved up into the team and remained there. While most people think a converted EL average is the way to go,only you and a few others think otherwise.If Newman had a 10pt PL average you would alter your decision for sure.You will not think outside the box and will only like decisions that benefit Poole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) Everybody knows and it has been well documented that they won't use the premier league conversion. Except one person seems to think they will and keeps banging that drum hoping someone will listen lol. Haven't checked the away matches but Kyle only rode 3 home matches in the top 5 scoring 6 , 5 and 2. Take those scores out of his average and then you have a true average for him. Edited October 16, 2016 by Gavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Newman's average can't be that high otherwise Matt wouldn't have said publically that there is a good chance of him being in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) If the PL to EL conversion is still 0.6 then Jack Holder should come in on 4.30 or thereabouts, which would probably put him at reserve (The EDR system will NOT be in place). Assuming 2016 EDR's are reassessed at say 80% of their final EL average then that would put Newman at around 4.42. Â That would mean that Kyle Newman would be the other reserve with the 1-5 looking something like:- Â C.Holder 8.95 (or KK 7.91); B.Kurtz 6.44 (or Milik 5.67); C.Harris 6.58; K. Gomolski 5.51; H.Andersen 7.15 Â Eddie Kennett's average of 7.16 would make him too much of a risk imo. Unless they have to lose a few points from the team-building points limit, Although the KK option with BK would give a team points total of 42.31. (KK with Milik would be 41.54 and would also meet any 'No GP riders' ruling?) Edited October 16, 2016 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Newman's average can't be that high otherwise Matt wouldn't have said publically that there is a good chance of him being in the team. no it will be somewhere between 4.5 and 5.5 I would guess which is exactly what it should be. Not a cat in hells chance it will be under 4. Bout time he was a second string anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 I think the points limit will come down to suit other promoters and any new team that's fancies the elite league next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 If the PL to EL conversion is still 0.6 then Jack Holder should come in on 4.30 or thereabouts, which would probably put him at reserve (The EDR system will NOT be in place). Assuming 2016 EDR's are reassessed at say 80% of their final EL average then that would put Newman at around 4.42. Â That would mean that Kyle Newman would be the other reserve with the 1-5 looking something like:- Â C.Holder 8.95 (or KK 7.91); B.Kurtz 6.44; C.Harris 6.58; K. Gomolski 5.51; H.Andersen 7.15 Â Eddie Kennett's average of 7.16 would make him too much of a risk imo. Unless they have to lose a few points from the team-building points limit, Although the KK option would give a team points total of 42.31. 4.5 to 5 seems fair for Newman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) I have no issue with any reassessed average under 5 for Kyle Newman, as long as the methodology or calculation is transparent for all EDRs.!! Â eg 90% of his final EL average would put him on 4.97. Edited October 16, 2016 by Skidder1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Newman's average can't be that high otherwise Matt wouldn't have said publically that there is a good chance of him being in the team.Depends whether he gets his own way again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Only half a point more than his PL conversion  Home average in the 1-5 is 4.33 but then you have to count his away scores and Kyle would be a 4.00 average maximum. Kyle on a PL converted average is 3.89 so not much difference tbh.    Nobody would touch riders like Ellis & Newman on 5.50 averages when you can get foreigners on better averages then change the rules so the foreign riders cant come in on lower averages..... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Only half a point more than his PL conversion  Home average in the 1-5 is 4.33 but then you have to count his away scores and Kyle would be a 4.00 average maximum. Kyle on a PL converted average is 3.89 so not much difference tbh.  Nobody would touch riders like Ellis & Newman on 5.50 averages when you can get foreigners on better averages who said 5.5? But if Garrity averages 6 from a second string then Newman should be a 5 and Ellis obtained a higher average than Kyle from more second string rides so should be at least the same. Poole will be lucky to have 1 of them at reserve but it will be impossible to have both. The premier league conversion won't be happening as we all know so you can forget any thought of 3.79 as that can't happen. Newman averaged 5.6 from mainly the reserve berth so to put him at 3.79 is a mockery of the sport. Somewhere between the 2 would be about right. Joe Jacobs on a 3.00 is what you are asking for if you think Newman or Ellis should be under 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted October 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Newman should be a 5.00 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 I am laughing reading the anti Poole brigade running around like headless chickens because Kyle has a sub four average, calling him a ringer etc. Â Got news for ya. He is a sub four rider. His average proves it and he is one of our reserves next season! All this should be a 5+ is nonsense. Next year hopefully he will be but currently his average doesn't lie. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 I am laughing reading the anti Poole brigade running around like headless chickens because Kyle has a sub four average, calling him a ringer etc. Â Got news for ya. He is a sub four rider. His average proves it and he is one of our reserves next season! All this should be a 5+ is nonsense. Next year hopefully he will be but currently his average doesn't lie. No way should PL averages be converted and that comes from a Bees fan who could have Bates starting on 3 if that was used! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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