tellboy Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 People on here trying to find a way of penalising Poole by trying to get our reserves averages up. But Newman already has a proper PL average to use. If the conversion is 0.6 then its 3.79. There's no argument there. Its a genuine average to be used. All clubs can use the same format. Ellis situation become more tricky. Not riding in the PL means he has no average to use. Coming in on a NL average of 3 is low as he is a better rider than that. 4 points sounds about right and fair, meaning he would have averaged about 8 PL. Clearly we cannot use their EL averages as they are wrecked with the heat format used. If your are saying that,it has to go for all PL riders that ride in the EL.So there will no argument as these will be genuine averages for the likes of Worrall,King,Garrity,Lambert,NBJ,Kennett,Lawson,Summers,Lindgren,Tungate,Grajczonek and Masters. You can't just have it to suit as all the above have genuine averages in the PL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted October 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 What about Leon Madsen what would he come in on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 What about Leon Madsen what would he come in on? 6.10 was his last average i believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 What about Leon Madsen what would he come in on? 7 The same as Lindback, Dudek, vaculic etc....... I would think, but new season, new set of rules probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 7 The same as Lindback, Dudek, vaculic etc....... I would think, but new season, new set of rules probably. If Woffinden can come in on a existing average so can Madsen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 If Woffinden can come in on a existing average so can Madsen.dependa how many years he has missed.More than 3 and would be reassessed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 If your are saying that,it has to go for all PL riders that ride in the EL.So there will no argument as these will be genuine averages for the likes of Worrall,King,Garrity,Lambert,NBJ,Kennett,Lawson,Summers,Lindgren,Tungate,Grajczonek and Masters. You can't just have it to suit as all the above have genuine averages in the PL. Steve Worrall on 5.12 Richie Worrall on 5.00 Rohan Tungate on 5.42 Sam Masters on 5.40 Joe Jacobs on 3.21 Lewis Kerr on 3.69 Paul Starke on 3.97 Josh Auty on 4.26 Kyle Howarth on 4.68 Charles Wright on 3.95 All the above spent some time at reserve last season so i agree that if Kyle Newman is 3.79 then the above averages should also come into play. Has to be a level playing field across the board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 What about Leon Madsen what would he come in on? Hasn't ridden in the UK since 2010 I believe, surely would have to be re-assessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 If Woffinden can come in on a existing average so can Madsen.not for me been away to long LP LP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 If your are saying that,it has to go for all PL riders that ride in the EL.So there will no argument as these will be genuine averages for the likes of Worrall,King,Garrity,Lambert,NBJ,Kennett,Lawson,Summers,Lindgren,Tungate,Grajczonek and Masters. You can't just have it to suit as all the above have genuine averages in the PL. PL averages would only apply to EDR riders. The others have official EL averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted October 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Do we think Hans won't get another year at Poole? I am not sure as Ford was bigging him up in the Echo saying there are only a few riders that have contacted him since after Wolves meet Hans being one of them. Perhaps a build around Hans and Newman, I don't know if Holder has become too big for his boots at Poole as there is obviously some friction between him and Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Perhaps a build around Hans and Newman, I don't know if Holder has become too big for his boots at Poole as there is obviously some friction between him and Ford. Why, what's been said PO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) PL averages would only apply to EDR riders. The others have official EL averages. So do the EDRs have EL averages. Don't forget it's not just the EDRs who have false averages due to the format. Edited October 11, 2016 by tellboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Hasn't ridden in the UK since 2010 I believe, surely would have to be re-assessed. Riders don't have to be reassessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Steve Worrall on 5.12 Richie Worrall on 5.00 Rohan Tungate on 5.42 Sam Masters on 5.40 Joe Jacobs on 3.21 Lewis Kerr on 3.69 Paul Starke on 3.97 Josh Auty on 4.26 Kyle Howarth on 4.68 Charles Wright on 3.95 All the above spent some time at reserve last season so i agree that if Kyle Newman is 3.79 then the above averages should also come into play. Has to be a level playing field across the board My list above PL averages would only apply to EDR riders. The others have official EL averages. Ok remove Masters , Richie Worrall, and Tungate and the other averages should be correct then. Jacobs and Worrall look a steal to me! Riders don't have to be reassessed. Ok so if a rider rides here on a 5 average at the start of his career, doesnt ride here for 5 years, and in that time then becomes a top gp rider you think its ok to come back on a 5? Of course they have to be reassessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 I agree with Gavan for once that all riders should be re-assessed if they are EDR riders because. No one will take riders on a 5.6 or whatever they are.. You can get J.Holder on a 4 which considering he came 4th to Lambert he is rather good so that will be a steal. But Joe Jacobs or J.Holder I think we know who will be a potential GP rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 dependa how many years he has missed. More than 3 and would be reassessed. Not necessarily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 I agree with Gavan for once that all riders should be re-assessed if they are EDR riders because. No one will take riders on a 5.6 or whatever they are.. You can get J.Holder on a 4 which considering he came 4th to Lambert he is rather good so that will be a steal. But Joe Jacobs or J.Holder I think we know who will be a potential GP rider. Im not saying they should all be reassessed but it has to be a level playing field across the board. If you are going to convert the EDR riders from Premier league averages then it has to be all of them. Steve Worrall is a better rider than Kyle Newman so he should have a higher average. But if you are going to have Newman on 3.79 then Worrall gets his average converted as well. Joe Jacobs has an elite league average almost the same as his premier league one. (5.36 and 5.14). He gained his elite league average from the reserve berth only, so should he be 5.14 next season?? No is the answer. He should be 3.22 with the conversion. You cant just convert 1 or 2 EDR riders you have to do all of them and in Belle Vues case they would have had a right touch! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 As long as it is one rule for all that is fine. One could argue that Richie Worrall despite not being a EDR this season spent longer at reserve than Newman, his brother and a few other riders (Howarth springs to mind) this year such was the form of his brother why should he not also come in his PL average re-assessed also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Im not saying they should all be reassessed but it has to be a level playing field across the board. If you are going to convert the EDR riders from Premier league averages then it has to be all of them. Steve Worrall is a better rider than Kyle Newman so he should have a higher average. But if you are going to have Newman on 3.79 then Worrall gets his average converted as well. Joe Jacobs has an elite league average almost the same as his premier league one. (5.36 and 5.14). He gained his elite league average from the reserve berth only, so should he be 5.14 next season?? No is the answer. He should be 3.22 with the conversion. You cant just convert 1 or 2 EDR riders you have to do all of them and in Belle Vues case they would have had a right touch! Yes i agree with that, one thing i find strange is why Matt Ford is interested to get Cyfer when he can have Kacper Gomolski, can't imagine Cyfer would be less than a 5 point assessed average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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