Poole 2017

[kingbee]

How is it that Newman never improves his average in the Pl every season?

[Daniel Smith]

Hi PL average is 6.31, meaning he should come in on 3.16. Doubt we will have two riders on a lower average so Kyle will be one of our reserves.

 

Newman will be a reserve. Rather have Ellis any day over Starke. Jack Holder would start as a second string.

 

The current PL > EL conversion is multiplied by 0.6

3.79 is Newman's average

Sure. Keep their EL averages. And before the first set of gs averages come out next season we replace Newman with Dudek and Ellis with vaculik.

 

That would work!

 

Of course they will have to use converted PL averages. Its the only accurate way of assesing these riders. Their EL averages are wrecked through riding against other edr riders.

 

That's fine by me but those 2 mentioned riders would be assessed 7's, Newman & Ellis would have to add almost 1.5 points to their averages.

Seeing as rolling averages are used, can't see that happening until at least July / August greensheets.

If Newman and Ellis did up their averages to 7's would be a huge risk to replace them with rider's that have never turned a wheel in the British leagues regardless of who they are.

On the rolling averages it would also mean that Newman & Ellis would be nailing an 8+ average within the 2017 season.

All you'd be replacing is like for like at no real gain to the team just a tripled wage bill out of Matt's pocket

[Countershaftcounter]

I know nothing can be decided until after the AGM, but I find it weird that some people are even considering next seasons team without the two best riders from this year. Both of whom are young Brits too. Why would you even think of replacing them with a foreigner ?

[Daniel Smith]

I know nothing can be decided until after the AGM, but I find it weird that some people are even considering next seasons team without the two best riders from this year. Both of whom are young Brits too. Why would you even think of replacing them with a foreigner ?

 

A miss placed British problem that's gone on for decades in all sports that all foreigners are better than home grown.

[Col]

Fairly sure Ellis is screwed as far as an EL spot goes since no PL team gave him a spot this year. No EL team will take him on a 5.5 average.

[waiheke1]

Sure. Keep their EL averages. And before the first set of gs averages come out next season we replace Newman with Dudek and Ellis with vaculik.

 

That would work!

 

 

Revert to a normal heat format. Say no rider gets a new rolling average til they have completed 3 home and 3 away meetings, then give a new average based only on those meetings. No changes to teams in first two months of season.

Teams making changes must ensure team remains below 43 points after change (I. E. Remove rule allowing replacement of a rider with a lower averaged rider if the team would be over points limit). This would also stop teams strengthening just for the play offs.

Fairly sure Ellis is screwed as far as an EL spot goes since no PL team gave him a spot this year. No EL team will take him on a 5.5 average.

All riders should get converted averages for next year, based on meetings ridden in each position.

Or make the limit 42.5 but with minimum 3 brits, 2 of whom must have been elegible to ride as an edr in 2016, no conversion needed. In which case Ellis becomes a lot more appealing than edr who spent the whole season at reserve.

[INCOGNITO]

There is some serious issues to address the Elite League over the winter and Britain operating one big league would be a good move based more on Premier League averages and Poole could track a great team using Jack Holder, Kyle Newman, Adam Ellis, Brady Kurtz and Todd Kurtz as a foundation.

[Panthers89]

Fairly sure Ellis is screwed as far as an EL spot goes since no PL team gave him a spot this year. No EL team will take him on a 5.5 average.

And will a premier league team take a punt on his 8.00 odd average? Doubtful tbh.

[foreverblue]

There is some serious issues to address the Elite League over the winter and Britain operating one big league would be a good move based more on Premier League averages and Poole could track a great team using Jack Holder, Kyle Newman, Adam Ellis, Brady Kurtz and Todd Kurtz as a foundation.

Todd Kurtz isnt good enough for the EL.

[ray c]

Todd Kurtz isnt good enough for the EL.

in a watered down league joining elite and premier into one he would be fine

[foreverblue]

in a watered down league joining elite and premier into one he would be fine

Why do you think it will be one league when Pl teams have already said they will be riding PL next season

[ray c]

Why do you think it will be one league when Pl teams have already said they will be riding PL next season

in a ideal world one league would be the answer but I suppose your right there will both leagues still running mk loo

[Steve Shovlar]

Dudek and Vaculik not riding extraleague then?

My post was meant tongue in cheek to another post who said Newman and Ellis average should be left as it finished this year.

 

People on here trying to find a way of penalising Poole by trying to get our reserves averages up. But Newman already has a proper PL average to use. If the conversion is 0.6 then its 3.79. There's no argument there. Its a genuine average to be used. All clubs can use the same format. Ellis situation become more tricky. Not riding in the PL means he has no average to use. Coming in on a NL average of 3 is low as he is a better rider than that. 4 points sounds about right and fair, meaning he would have averaged about 8 PL.

 

Clearly we cannot use their EL averages as they are wrecked with the heat format used.

[Crazy robin]

How is it that Newman never improves his average in the Pl every season?

I wonder😉😉

[SteveLyric2]

All this talk about Poole having the use of the Rick Frost assets, we don't even know if Readypower are sponsoring next year yet??!

[foreverblue]

I wonder

Because as usual he has had an up and down season with injuries which is also why his EL average is relatively low.

[Gavan]

My post was meant tongue in cheek to another post who said Newman and Ellis average should be left as it finished this year.

 

People on here trying to find a way of penalising Poole by trying to get our reserves averages up. But Newman already has a proper PL average to use. If the conversion is 0.6 then its 3.79. There's no argument there. Its a genuine average to be used. All clubs can use the same format. Ellis situation become more tricky. Not riding in the PL means he has no average to use. Coming in on a NL average of 3 is low as he is a better rider than that. 4 points sounds about right and fair, meaning he would have averaged about 8 PL.

 

Clearly we cannot use their EL averages as they are wrecked with the heat format used.

There is no way Kyle Newman should be on a 3.79 average and if the BSPA do the AGM properly then the farce of the Premier league conversion will be ripped up as it should be.

 

Riders should have 2 averages. One for riding at reserve and 1 for the main body. Work out what Ellis and Newman averaged at reserve and thats their average simple really.

 

Kyle Newman beat the World Champ from the back the other week, yet he should be a 3.79??? Dream on!! Win at all costs mentality and sod the rest after this seasons big choke

[Trees]

I would get rid of the stats from all protected races from this season and revise all averages from that for next season .....

[ruckerroo]

The premier league is a straight league where riders earn an average on merit.

 

I will leave it to you to sort the elite avs out but you cant chop and change the avs each year to suit yourselves

[waiheke1]

I would get rid of the stats from all protected races from this season and revise all averages from that for next season .....

The issue of course is that reserves only race in protected heats, so some would gave no average if you do that. A simple multiplier should be used for meetings ridden at second string and reserve (approx 75% & 50% respectively).