Sidney the robin Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Hi PL average is 6.31, meaning he should come in on 3.16. Doubt we will have two riders on a lower average so Kyle will be one of our reserves. Newman will be a reserve. Rather have Ellis any day over Starke. Jack Holder would start as a second string. 1 C Holder 2 J Holder 3. Andersen 4. Kurtz 5. Milik 6. Ellis 7. Newman This really shows us how our sport is so Mickey Mouse J.Holder in top 5 Newman at reserve a total joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 This really shows us how our sport is so Mickey Mouse J.Holder in top 5 Newman at reserve a total joke. Jack Holders average is 7.16 in the PL, so his EL average is 3.57 if the conversion is 50%. With Ellis not having a PL average, he should come in on a starting 3.00, so will be at reserve with Newman with Jack Holder starting at a second string. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 It's laughable and a lack of thinking from Shovlar if he thinks Ellis will be a 3 and Newman 3.16. It will never happen 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 It's laughable and a lack of thinking from Shovlar if he thinks Ellis will be a 3 and Newman 3.16. It will never happenYou say that now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 You say that now! Hypothetical situation - let's assume that both have the averages that SS suggested and both decide to ride for Coventry instead of Poole (regardless of loyalty etc) - would you then think that their averages were fair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Hypothetical situation - let's assume that both have the averages that SS suggested and both decide to ride for Coventry instead of Poole (regardless of loyalty etc) - would you then think that their averages were fair I can't see how else they will calculate the averages, can't see them using Elite averages, as far as Coventry are concerned i expect them to use Bates at reserve on a converted PL average and hell would freeze over before Kyle Newman rides for Coventry!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy The Rebel Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Can't believe Newman would come back on a sub 4 average along with Ellis surely they've got to be allowed to progress which means riding in tougher positions in the team,if they allow these converted averages from pl again for riders who already have official averages just shows what a joke this sport is,try explaining that to a new supporter lol!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Can't believe Newman would come back on a sub 4 average along with Ellis surely they've got to be allowed to progress which means riding in tougher positions in the team,if they allow these converted averages from pl again for riders who already have official averages just shows what a joke this sport is,try explaining that to a new supporter lol!!! But the official EL averages for EDR riders are falsely high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 But the official EL averages for EDR riders are falsely high. As they are for second strings - and heat leaders are falsely low. So it's the same for everyone - use their EL average with some sort of adjustments to account for anomalies. Interesting that you chose not to directly answer the hypothetical question set. Of course Kyle wouldn't ride for Coventry but thats not what I asked. What's your answer then? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) Bet all the Premier League promotors would jump at riders who achieve dodgy averages in their league that helps out Elite league teams😉😉 Edited October 9, 2016 by Crazy robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 As they are for second strings - and heat leaders are falsely low. So it's the same for everyone - use their EL average with some sort of adjustments to account for anomalies. Interesting that you chose not to directly answer the hypothetical question set. Of course Kyle wouldn't ride for Coventry but thats not what I asked. What's your answer then? Newman wouldn't Ellis maybe could and if they were the rules then i wouldn't have a problem him riding for Coventry, unfortunately the format has made for some difficulties with the averages, always going to happen and should have been foreseen. Not a fan of the EDR system personally although i appreciate it has been good for some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Sure. Keep their EL averages. And before the first set of gs averages come out next season we replace Newman with Dudek and Ellis with vaculik. That would work! Of course they will have to use converted PL averages. Its the only accurate way of assesing these riders. Their EL averages are wrecked through riding against other edr riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Not difficult to apply an appropriate formula to make those averages meaningful and far better to use that, which will provide a true comparison of how they have performed against other EDR riders, than an average gained in a completely different league. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 But the official EL averages for EDR riders are falsely high.So convert them, not the PL averages.2nd string averages are also false, so do u suggest we convert pl averages for them too? Sure. Keep their EL averages. And before the first set of gs averages come out next season we replace Newman with Dudek and Ellis with vaculik. That would work! Of course they will have to use converted PL averages. Its the only accurate way of assesing these riders. Their EL averages are wrecked through riding against other edr riders. Except of course riders like Ellis spent most of the season at second string... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Sure. Keep their EL averages. And before the first set of gs averages come out next season we replace Newman with Dudek and Ellis with vaculik. That would work! Of course they will have to use converted PL averages. Its the only accurate way of assesing these riders. Their EL averages are wrecked through riding against other edr riders. You are so funny 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 There must be some way of negatively weighting scores from reserves races so as to give FTR riders more realistic averages. The PL average method just doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimli27 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Give Kyle a go in the 1-5 i think he is good enough but if he starts to drop off then he will return to reserve as per his perfomances stuff this comparing all the different averages to work it out,give the guy a try got to be good for his career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 SS only wants the averages converted from the PL as this would put Newman lower than about 5 other riders.When realistically he is in the top 3 of current EDRs. I think they have to take a percentage off to make it more realisitic to the league they are in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason.C Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Once again, other teams fans want the rules adjusted to see Poole become weaker. Imagine the uproar if we had the same policies as the Polish league and ran the likes of zmarzlik at reserve! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Sure. Keep their EL averages. And before the first set of gs averages come out next season we replace Newman with Dudek and Ellis with vaculik. That would work! Of course they will have to use converted PL averages. Its the only accurate way of assesing these riders. Their EL averages are wrecked through riding against other edr riders. Dudek and Vaculik not riding extraleague then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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