Daniel Smith Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 So what will happen to the averages of riders who rode EL last year and didn't get a team this year? Eg if Holder doesn't get a side will he revert to his old average that will probably be lower than KK or Hans? Correct, 2016 riders not starting 2017 will just use existing real averages, there's no other option. I see a large number of team changes in May/June Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) So what will happen to the averages of riders who rode EL last year and didn't get a team this year? Eg if Holder doesn't get a side will he revert to his old average that will probably be lower than KK or Hans? They would come in on the inflated average listed on the BSPA site. That is now their average regardless of when they sign http://www.speedwaygb.co/files/downloads/2017_team_building_numerical.pdf Edited November 29, 2016 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 So what will happen to the averages of riders who rode EL last year and didn't get a team this year? Eg if Holder doesn't get a side will he revert to his old average that will probably be lower than KK or Hans? They have surely thought of that? To make things fair the riders missing out should keep their team building averages. Promoters will know before May whether they want to make a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Well Kyle liked my post that said hope this means you are signing for Poole last night which means as we all know he will come in on 6.31 which will leave us with 8.03. Will it be Brady or will he be at Somerset. Not sure who we could sign. I think it will still be Brady because he put TBC as a pirate on Twitter as well which suggests he will ride for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BluPanther Posted November 29, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 People wetting their pants over Klindt ! Good grief, what has Britain's top flight league come too ... 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 People wetting their pants over Klindt ! Good grief, what has Britain's top flight league come too ... Tell me about it. Average signing for me , far to inconsistent. Jack Hoder is a greta signing and Shanes was a good signing..........Klindt the jurys out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelDan Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Tell me about it. Average signing for me , far to inconsistent. Jack Hoder is a greta signing and Shanes was a good signing..........Klindt the jurys out J Holder still has a lot to prove and failed to reach Brady's first season average in the PL after two full seasons. I think he's a tad over rated but a good prospect and will need time to settle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Klindt struggled to achieve 5.4 in last years premier league. If he doesn't make the gate then that's it.Klindt only rode 4 pl meetings last year. He averaged over 6 the year before.He is arguably the biggest bargain available, given he is on a lower figure than he managed as hl in the EL last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Klindt provides one thing we did not have last year. A small track ace. He will be able to help riders adjust to small tracks at Leicester, Wolves and Rye House. We missed that last year I thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 It just shows how poor our league is. The promoters had a major rebuild to do & they've got it all wrong IMO. Riders will be left on the shelf because of the ''new average ruling''. Kindt rides 4 premier league matches & can start the season on that average wherefore riders like Justin Sedgmen have to start on a converted 7.7 average, Sedgy averaged lower than Klindt in the EL last season. It's a complete balls up. Klindt only rode 4 pl meetings last year. He averaged over 6 the year before.He is arguably the biggest bargain available, given he is on a lower figure than he managed as hl in the EL last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Tell me about it. Average signing for me , far to inconsistent. Jack Hoder is a greta signing and Shanes was a good signing..........Klindt the jurys out For me its what he does at reserve which is the more important in the first 2 months of the season. I am sure come May he will move into the team allowing Newman/Kurtz or Holder to have a chance of some easy points. Okay maybe Klindts av will suffer when in the main body of the team but do we really care ?? If he does then he will go back to reserve and swing in and out of there in the season and for sure we all know he will score points in that slot just as Bjarne did which was why his av was also so high. Add to that that if any fixture clashes with DK I am sure Matt will be able to get a better quality guest or apply RR with a higher pool of riders available to use. I think this is a VERY clever signing by Matt Ford and you only have to look at his scores in the overseas leagues to see that Matt was no mug in his planning behind this move, not only getting him as a reserve to start but the permutations it offers going forward. Every other promoter could have signed him as it was a level playing field for all. Obviously the guy liked the idea of a fairly safe and secure pay check and place in the side without the pressure of having to prove being a heat leader. He will pick up plenty of points against inferior or more junior riders plus will ride for a team which has a proven winning mentality (hopefully). I stand by what I said in a lengthy earlier post that I think Mr Ford had this guy tied up on a deal long before the others who were probabaly still digesting the new regulations when they were voted on. Nice one Matt and further proof he is way ahead of most other promoters in forward thinking. Now we a wait all the conspiracy theorists and full time Poole haters/back biters to have their say. By the way last comments not aimed at you Gavin as you tend to have constructive comments even if you do have a pop now and then ;-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 In the grand scheme of things its a terrific side unlike some i could mention but would rather not as still feeling the pain over it.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Correct, 2016 riders not starting 2017 will just use existing real averages, there's no other option. I see a large number of team changes in May/June But current averages will be understated. For example holder averaged 9ish in a tougher format, in a tougher league. Would be ridiculous if he came in on his 2016 average. But a conversion of 1.2 rather than 1.4 would seem appropriate. Edited November 29, 2016 by waihekeaces1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 But current averages will be understated. For example holder averaged 9ish in a tougher format, in a tougher league. Would be ridiculous if he came in on his 2016 average. But a conversion of 1.2 rather than 1.4 would seem appropriate. Remember the new "averages" were just for team-building so won't riders just continue with running averages from their 2016 base from May (with any new second tier riders coming in on their true PL-based running average discounted by 1.4)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Remember the new "averages" were just for team-building so won't riders just continue with running averages from their 2016 base from May (with any new second tier riders coming in on their true PL-based running average discounted by 1.4)?No. Been confirmed it will be on 2017 only, must have 4 home and 4 away.hasn't been confirmed how "new" riders with existing El or pl averages will be treated when part of a redeclaration Edited November 29, 2016 by waihekeaces1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted November 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 People wetting their pants over Klindt ! Good grief, what has Britain's top flight league come too ... The thought had occurred to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Personally i have strong reservations about Klindt, good rider on his day but inconsistent to say the least. He will most likely do ok at reserve and was ok riding for Leicester on a gater's track but i can't remember the last time he overtook another rider. At Wolves last season, a track he should like, got zero when guesting for Poole, couldn't even beat Clegg. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 On the subject of people having double accounts just go and have a look at posts 722 and 724 on the Ipswich thread!! Our very own Starman has 2 accounts! Except this time he forgot to log out and change his name! I'l bet you a million pound i do NOT have TWO accounts, i have had the same one for 10 years. You really are a king sized plonker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Klindt struggled to achieve 5.4 in last years premier league. If he doesn't make the gate then that's it. Completely irrelevant, he averaged higher over a full season in the top flight with Leicester. So Poole finally get their man after he snubbed them for Wolves way back when. On paper forming a decent side but a caution over Kurtz and Holder who come with big expectations. Klindt a no brainer signing for any club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Completely irrelevant, he averaged higher over a full season in the top flight with Leicester. So Poole finally get their man after he snubbed them for Wolves way back when. On paper forming a decent side but a caution over Kurtz and Holder who come with big expectations. Klindt a no brainer signing for any club. Kurtz and Holder will improve on their current averages and i fully expect a really big season from Jack. Klindt has had some awful meetings away from home, it is his Leicester form that is the main reason for his relatively high average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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