Sherborne Green Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 The way averages are sorted out is the same for all teams. Agreed the BSPA have made a rod for their own backs with the reserves and second strings. It has been very stupid on reflection and must be sorted. However, I state again it is the same for both teams. Gavin, you say in your post that Kyle took the world champion from the back. Correct, but he is only a second string riding at No 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 The way averages are sorted out is the same for all teams. Agreed the BSPA have made a rod for their own backs with the reserves and second strings. It has been very stupid on reflection and must be sorted. However, I state again it is the same for both teams. Gavin, you say in your post that Kyle took the world champion from the back. Correct, but he is only a second string riding at No 4 hear hear I like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 From what I've heard it will be the case that PL averages will be used. It threw up an anomaly in Richie Worrall as he isn't an EDR but has ridden at reserve for most of the season so his average is skewed like the EDRs. The thinking is to use his PL average but that then was met with calls that if you do it with him then do it with the others so Cook etc will also use converted PL averages. There is also the likelihood of the 2.5% Brit reduction coming back. The powers that be are looking to cut costs so the team building average is going to be slashed thought this historically is always the case when The Aces finish top. Team totals will now be 38.50 I reckon Belle Vue will look like this under the new rules. Emil S. Worrall Cook King Fricke R. Worrall Jacobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 The issue of course is that reserves only race in protected heats, so some would gave no average if you do that. A simple multiplier should be used for meetings ridden at second string and reserve (approx 75% & 50% respectively). What about heats 4,5,8 and 9 or is that what u mean, protected against 2nd strings? I mean just disregard heats 2 and 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 The way averages are sorted out is the same for all teams. Agreed the BSPA have made a rod for their own backs with the reserves and second strings. It has been very stupid on reflection and must be sorted. However, I state again it is the same for both teams. Gavin, you say in your post that Kyle took the world champion from the back. Correct, but he is only a second string riding at No 4 Are you suggesting that there may be only 2 teams in the EL next year?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 The premier league is a straight league where riders earn an average on merit. Really? So a number 1 gets heat 13 and 15 against heatleaders yet a reserve gets heat 2 vs both reserve and a number 7 has a reserve in every race he's in! It's still not "fair", it's certainly "fairer" but if a rider averages 10 as a number 1 and 10 as a number 7 then the number 1 is a better rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Once again, other teams fans want the rules adjusted to see Poole become weaker. Imagine the uproar if we had the same policies as the Polish league and ran the likes of zmarzlik at reserve! The Poles have it right with riders under 20 or 21 being at reserve & then they go into the top 5. So hardly a fair comparison really when Britain allows reserves from any age until any age. The difference is Bartosz & the young poles want to go into the top 5 unlike the journeymen Brits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Are you suggesting that there may be only 2 teams in the EL next year?! OK. A slip of the finger. You know it was meant to be all teams. Mind you the way crowds are dropping around some tracks a number like Plymouth could go out of business. Having said that, as a Plymouthian I hope they do come back even in the National League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 The Poles have it right with riders under 20 or 21 being at reserve & then they go into the top 5. So hardly a fair comparison really when Britain allows reserves from any age until any age. The difference is Bartosz & the young poles want to go into the top 5 unlike the journeymen Brits. No, the difference is that Zmarzlik, Pawlicki, Dudek etc. are world class. IMO the EDR has been a success in bringing through young Brits, but you cant compare the likes of Newman, Worrall, Bates, Jacobs etc. with those Polish riders. Do we have 8 riders u21 of a standard to not be outclassed in the EL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 The way averages are sorted out is the same for all teams. Agreed the BSPA have made a rod for their own backs with the reserves and second strings. It has been very stupid on reflection and must be sorted. However, I state again it is the same for both teams. Gavin, you say in your post that Kyle took the world champion from the back. Correct, but he is only a second string riding at No 4 True but if you think Kyle Newman should be a 3.79 next season then you know its farcical. If he can beat Tai from the back then Tai's average and Newmans should be roughly the same then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 The Poles have it right with riders under 20 or 21 being at reserve & then they go into the top 5. So hardly a fair comparison really when Britain allows reserves from any age until any age. The difference is Bartosz & the young poles want to go into the top 5 unlike the journeymen Brits. Maybe we could have a grading system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 You True but if you think Kyle Newman should be a 3.79 next season then you know its farcical. If he can beat Tai from the back then Tai's average and Newmans should be roughly the same then? Gavin. Where in my post did I say anything about Kyles averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 True but if you think Kyle Newman should be a 3.79 next season then you know its farcical. If he can beat Tai from the back then Tai's average and Newmans should be roughly the same then? I'd have Tai on 3.79 any day of the week. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 I'd have Tai on 3.79 any day of the week. That's our two reserves for next year sorted then! 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 No, the difference is that Zmarzlik, Pawlicki, Dudek etc. are world class. IMO the EDR has been a success in bringing through young Brits, but you cant compare the likes of Newman, Worrall, Bates, Jacobs etc. with those Polish riders. Do we have 8 riders u21 of a standard to not be outclassed in the EL? It can only be judged a success if these riders are not still reserves after 3 seasons of being there. That was the original plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason.C Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) The grading system lumped Poole with the "passed his best before date" Jason Lyon's last time it was implemented, I don't fancy us inheriting another old Ace in Scott Nicholls. Edited October 10, 2016 by Jason.C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Janowski Newman/Ellis Milik Batchelor MJJ MPT? Or someone else average depending 3.00 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Janowski Newman/Ellis Milik Batchelor MJJ MPT? Or someone else average depending 3.00 Lol! We are used to being at the top of the league, not battling for the wooden spoon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Janowski Newman/Ellis Milik Batchelor MJJ MPT? Or someone else average depending 3.00 Not a bad team. Not convinced with MJJ. KK needs to be in there with Milik. Where are the Aus youngstars they gonna be there about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason.C Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Would receive some hammerings with that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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