The Pzms New Two Team Rule.

[stevebrum]

Riders affected by the PZM rule who ride EL.

Zagar

Hougaard

Jonsson

Nilsson

Harris

Iversen

Batchelor

Holder

Andersen

Lindgren

Woffinden

Fricke

Thorsell

Masters

Doyle

Wozniak

quite a few of them don't ride top league. That's the only league it affects.

[Hodgy]

Not so sure too many riders would agree to this. Many are not guaranteed a ride every week, therefore limiting themselves to one league only. Surely they would be better off telling the PZM to get stuffed and ride in Sweden, Denmark, UK and up and coming Germany. I would guess they would very quickly have a rethink.

[waiheke1]

i imagine the top riders, who may earn as much in poland as all those other leagues combined, may be less inclined to tell them to :"get stufffed."

[iris123]

 

 

I can't really understand why though?! Has any rider missed a Polish meeting due to clashes in the EL or Sweden? I doubt it very much.

 

 

I am not sure that is even the problem.Possibly more likely they are 1.Not too happy that riders miss their meetings after getting injured in what they consider a less important league r other meeting.And 2. they are not happy at paying big bucks and having the riders putting in poor performances,which they could consider is due to them riding too often and travelling half way around Europe each week,as well as not putting in too much practice on their tracks and quite possibly not having enough time to do any promotional work in the community

 

Quite honestly i think the riders are just taking on too much and their performances are very inconsistent on the whole.I have some sympathy with the PZM on this ocassion.Whether it will actually work is another matter.Just like the mooted walk out of the GP series by half the riders.........

[Hodgy]

i imagine the top riders, who may earn as much in poland as all those other leagues combined, may be less inclined to tell them to :"get stufffed."

Not many on that list that I would consider 'top riders' - Poland also appear to have several pay day issues. Would be a big call to agree to it in my opinion.

[mikebv]

Maybe the Polish League are testing the water to reduce their own costs?

 

If top riders say 'No' then maybe they will get replaced with 'lesser/cheaper' local alternatives....?

 

They will maybe then put a cap on team strengths?

 

Could sell it the Polish fans as 'in the best interest of Speedway' (heard that before)😉 and not their fault that riders wouldnt accept the deal...

 

"We won't be held to ransom by the actions of certain riders" etc, etc etc

 

The bubble is bursting over there Speedway wise so maybe a pre-emptive strike in cost reductions?

Edited September 29, 2016 by mikebv

[waiheke1]

Or they are annoyed by riders being tired or injured, and want to reduce rider workloads and/or increase availability for practice, marketing or racing on different days? They probably realised they can't restrict to riders from racing GPs (wasn't that recently a rule or proposal of only 1 gp rider per team) so now taking a different approach.

Noting many on here have said they want an El where riders ride NOWHERE else.

[Joe Beevers]

In terms of law isn't this in some kind of EU way actually illegal.

 

Mind you, were not in the EU.

 

It is arrogant and I don't like it that any nation should be able to control where riders ride.

 

What if the Danish and Swedish leagues decided to do it? The British league would be filled with British and some Australian riders.

 

It depends if you would rather have a weakened product or riders who are going to be more loyal and knowingly turn up every week plus possibly more progression on young British riders.

[Perton Wolf]

In terms of law isn't this in some kind of EU way actually illegal.

 

Mind you, were not in the EU.

 

 

We are in the EU and will be until we officially leave but I don't think it would breach EU law anyway to be honest.

[waiheke1]

In terms of law isn't this in some kind of EU way actually illegal.

 

Mind you, were not in the EU.

 

It is arrogant and I don't like it that any nation should be able to control where riders ride.

 

What if the Danish and Swedish leagues decided to do it? The British league would be filled with British and some Australian riders.

 

It depends if you would rather have a weakened product or riders who are going to be more loyal and knowingly turn up every week plus possibly more progression on young British riders.

Do you really think it is illegal for someone to offer a contract which restricts the quantity/nature of other employment to you are allowed to take? Seriously?

You are also missing the point of why the poles may be able to do this. It is because they pay a lot more (assuming you get paid!). If other nations try, it is quite likely riders will simply say "no thsnks, won't ride in your league then."

[Dandelion]

Yes Puk only decided late to return for kl, I believe due to the injury to bratchelor

I mean who is Puk?

[HenryW]

In terms of law isn't this in some kind of EU way actually illegal.

How often do you see football players turning out for clubs in multiple Countries?

 

Do you think that's because players don't fancy getting double wages or because they aren't allowed to do it?

[hans fan]

How often do you see football players turning out for clubs in multiple Countries?

 

Do you think that's because players don't fancy getting double wages or because they aren't allowed to do it?

big difference there contracted to 7 days a week 52 weeks of year and still get paid full whack when injured

[Steve Shovlar]

Speedway riders are self employed. They are not the same as footballers who are employed by their club. Speedway riders rent their services the same as a window cleaner has a contract to clean the windows of an office block every week. The office block cant demand the window cleaner only cleans their windows because he might fall off his ladder and break his leg doing the bakers down the road.

 

By demanding this the pzm are limiting the amount if money a self employed rider can earn. All the riders have to do is say no. Together. If enough do so the pzm will have no choice but to back down. They wont want 10-15 of the biggest names missing.

Edited September 30, 2016 by Steve Shovlar

[SUPERACE]

How often do you see football players turning out for clubs in multiple Countries?

 

 

Do you think that's because players don't fancy getting double wages or because they aren't allowed to do it?

Footballers are not self employed like speedway riders.

[Vincent Blachshadow]

I mean who is Puk?

 

Niels-Kristian Iversen.

[SCB]

"It's illegal" and "it's arrogant"

 

Pretty much every contract of employment I've had has an "exclusivity" term in there saying I can't work for anyone else without permission and certainly not a competitor. Why are speedway riders different?

 

My current contract states,

7. EXCLUSIVITY OF SERVICE

7.1. The Employee will be employed by the Employer on an exclusive basis and is not permitted to work for or provide his/her services to any other party while employed by the Employer.

7.2. The Employee will devote his/her full time and attention to the business and office of the Employer and must at all times act in the best interests of the Employer.

Edited September 30, 2016 by SCB

[hagonshocker]

Most of those riders on that list wouldn't be a concern to the Poles and let's be honest could you imagine Doyle's Polish club for example really risking losing out on him? I'm taking all of this with a massive pinch of salt

"It's illegal" and "it's arrogant"

 

Pretty much every contract of employment I've had has an "exclusivity" term in there saying I can't work for anyone else without permission and certainly not a competitor. Why are speedway riders different?

 

My current contract states,

 

But aren't riders self employed so basically they sub-contract?

[racers and royals]

Quote

7. EXCLUSIVITY OF SERVICE
7.1. The Employee will be employed by the Employer on an exclusive basis and is not permitted to work for or provide his/her services to any other party while employed by the Employer.
7.2. The Employee will devote his/her full time and attention to the business and office of the Employer and must at all times act in the best interests of the Employer.

Over 51,000 posts- mostly during the day- got to be "sailing close to the wind" on clause 2

[Vincent Blachshadow]

Speedway riders are self employed. They are not the same as footballers who are employed by their club. Speedway riders rent their services the same as a window cleaner has a contract to clean the windows of an office block every week. The office block cant demand the window cleaner only cleans their windows because he might fall off his ladder and break his leg doing the bakers down the road.

 

By demanding this the pzm are limiting the amount if money a self employed rider can earn. All the riders have to do is say no. Together. If enough do so the pzm will have no choice but to back down. They wont want 10-15 of the biggest names missing.

 

But your own top rider and current world champion saying 'up your's' to his own country's league (until the continental money dries up) gives me a slight doubt that the riders might stand together to beat this.

Edited September 30, 2016 by Vincent Blackshadow