sparkafag Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 The water has been defrosting for a while but that feels like a step on the river that will crack the ice per se. I don’t think it will go down well with a lot of riders, the last thing a club wants to do is interfere with their wage packets. While I understand this won’t apply in every instance and is based on hearsay and rumour – I think a few who race in Britain probably like the assurance of a guaranteed income which may not compare to Poland, but can be relied upon – with the somewhat chequered history of some Polish sides and their pay history it might put some in quite an awkward situation. Interesting times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 The water has been defrosting for a while but that feels like a step on the river that will crack the ice per se. I don’t think it will go down well with a lot of riders, the last thing a club wants to do is interfere with their wage packets. While I understand this won’t apply in every instance and is based on hearsay and rumour – I think a few who race in Britain probably like the assurance of a guaranteed income which may not compare to Poland, but can be relied upon – with the somewhat chequered history of some Polish sides and their pay history it might put some in quite an awkward situation. Interesting times. Hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Hmmm There isn’t much point trying to be a clever arse about it given it evidently applies in certain instances – the likes of Poole and Wolves are clearly well run clubs who have created a bond and loyalty between them and the riders who appear for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Riders affected by the PZM rule who ride EL. Zagar Hougaard Jonsson Nilsson Harris Iversen Batchelor Holder Andersen Lindgren Woffinden Fricke Thorsell Masters Doyle Wozniak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 There isnt much point trying to be a clever arse about it given it evidently applies in certain instances the likes of Poole and Wolves are clearly well run clubs who have created a bond and loyalty between them and the riders who appear for them. So two out of eight clubs are reliable, meaning six out of eight are unreliable. Hardly great odds if you're looking for a "guaranteed income". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 So two out of eight clubs are reliable, meaning six out of eight are unreliable. Hardly great odds if you're looking for a "guaranteed income". I used two out of eight working from the basis of loyalty and reputation - I wouldn’t claim to know the ins and outs re the rest or all clubs in Poland (or the UK for that matter so possibly there are more examples that could be used), purely going off rumour and on occasion spoken word from riders That and both clubs (Wolves and Poole) hold or have held 6 out of the 16 riders this would impact, so you are talking the best part of 50% , an addition then being the likes of Harris isn’t a “regular” in Poland. The same things go on in both countries though I assume re pay, doesn’t simply have to be used a downer re British Speedway – throw in the fact that Britain typically affords guaranteed meetings rather than squads I can see why this is going to cause issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) I dont want it to happen but we would be fine without the top riders there are not many of them as it is now.Just look at last night Pooles reserves were the stars of the show.True grit and fought hard for every point and with a passion for their club.Theres a good few top riders that dont have any passion for any club it seems its all about the money for them. To give the riders something to think about though perhaps tell them pick the Polish league over us now and there will be no place for you in the British league when the Poles dont want you any more.Be as ruthless as the Polish league is its possibly the only way we could fight back. PS off mr Shovlars list i would say at the moment there are 7ish riders that could be sure to be picked every week in Poland where as if riders sign for a British club most would have a team spot all season. Edited September 29, 2016 by B.V 72 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castrolargh Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) Riders affected by the PZM rule who ride EL. Zagar Hougaard Jonsson Nilsson Harris Iversen Batchelor Holder Andersen Lindgren Woffinden Fricke Thorsell Masters Doyle Wozniak don't forget buzcowski (sorry about the spelling),schlein,porsing,hans,possibly lambert next year to name a few off the top of my head. It's not just the big boys it may affect Edited September 29, 2016 by castrolargh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Typical PZM thinking they own speedway. This will never happen, rider power will see to that. What a disgraceful thing for them to even consider. Talk about trying to kill off all the other countries league racing besides the top 2 of them and Sweden. Utter disgrace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Might UK clubs have to reward these riders a lot more to keep them in the EL? If not then it's the end of the EL and amalgamation with the PL and probably an enlarged NL. Just think we could then properly invest in the NL and bring through juniors. Matt Ford must be spinning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 As others have said, I think this is a great opportunity to redesign the leagues from the ground up. I'm not sure this can be done in a few months though, so the best approach would be to ask for a year's grace from the PZM to allow the powers that be to pan accordingly and hopefully iron out any issues before they occur. I do find it funny how many people say they want riders committed to British speedway and yet when the Poles move to do the same they are roundly criticised. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 As others have said, I think this is a great opportunity to redesign the leagues from the ground up. I'm not sure this can be done in a few months though, so the best approach would be to ask for a year's grace from the PZM to allow the powers that be to pan accordingly and hopefully iron out any issues before they occur. I do find it funny how many people say they want riders committed to British speedway and yet when the Poles move to do the same they are roundly criticised. I agree, we should have gone our own way years ago. The only problem is that it isn't a level playing field, the Poles can pay a lot more and have three GPs and a lot of the other GP tracks are similar to theirs, so anyone who aspires to race at that level has to go with their rules and demands. We could always go back to the days when we had a good number of Aussies and a small number of other nationalities and the 'World Final' was always here, personally I preferred that but maybe a lot wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Just to be clear its only the Polish Extraliga that is planning to introduce this (they actually announced it as a possibility 12 months ago!) I can't really understand why though?! Has any rider missed a Polish meeting due to clashes in the EL or Sweden? I doubt it very much. NB. on a related topic Poole have told Hans Andersen that they will not tolerate clashes with his Danish League meetings next season - so he has to sort it out if he wants to utilise the 2nd year of his Poole contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Just to be clear its only the Polish Extraliga that is planning to introduce this (they actually announced it as a possibility 12 months ago!) I can't really understand why though?! Has any rider missed a Polish meeting due to clashes in the EL or Sweden? I doubt it very much. NB. on a related topic Poole have told Hans Andersen that they will not tolerate clashes with his Danish League meetings next season - so he has to sort it out if he wants to utilise the 2nd year of his Poole contract. In other words, he won't be back for next season. Sounds like Ford is going to have a big reshuffle for next season. I doubt that Holder will be back as he doesn't seem to be in love with the EL, based on some of his comments this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 We should do the same. Britain first then take your pick. Let the Top guys bale out of Uk we would have a much more stable and effectively run sport ,7 riders riding for your team every week is a good starting point.The whole signings and guest replacements scenario in these semi finals just run makes a total mockery of the sport IMO . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Can anyone clarify if riders get paid a retainer by their Polish clubs. I've often read this or that rider has travelled to Poland for practise but not been picked to ride in the meeting. Can't see too many riders choosing that over regular outing in UK and Sweden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Can anyone clarify if riders get paid a retainer by their Polish clubs. I've often read this or that rider has travelled to Poland for practise but not been picked to ride in the meeting. Can't see too many riders choosing that over regular outing in UK and Sweden I've heard some don't even get paid,let alone paid a retainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Riders affected by the PZM rule who ride EL. Zagardo Hougaard Jonsson Nilsson Harris Iversen Bachelor's Holder Andersen Lindgren Woffinden Fricke Thorsell Masters Doyle Wozniak do all these riders ride in Poland's top league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 do all these riders ride in Poland's top league A fair few of them don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 I've heard some don't even get paid,let alone paid a retainer. I've heard that too. Be interesting to hear a riders point of view. NKI dint sound too pleased about it on Twitter. I've heard some don't even get paid,let alone paid a retainer. I've heard that too. Be interesting to hear a riders point of view. NKI dint sound too pleased about it on Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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