The Pzms New Two Team Rule.

[theblueboy]

 

 

You are absolutely correct that those clauses can be given to any employee.

It doesn't matter whether you're self employed or not.

It's perfectly within EU employment law for an employer to offer exclusivity rights.

Just to put one thing right, Pro Footballers ARE self employed signed to exclusivity contracts that have a start and end date.

Footballers pay managers / agents fees to negotiate contracts, sponsorship and image rights etc.

Speedway riders are in a no different position and maybe Poland are looking to becoming more of a professionally run business, set weekly wages and squad training sessions.

 

If any country could run Speedway on the Football model it would be Poland.

In terms of team Speedway it's every riders ambition to get a spot in the Ekstraliga, no different to Footballers looking to the Premier League or La Liga

I have no idea why you think pro-footballers are self-employed?

[Bald Bloke]

I heard about 3 years ago a certain top rider in the UK was on a £2k guarantee.In Poland it was 20.In 4 leagues it was 30k a week altogether

Edited September 30, 2016 by Bald Bloke

[INCOGNITO]

Britain could have done this years ago when it was the place to be but they all sat down and worked out a deal to ensure no one trod on the others toes. However since then, Sweden have riders riding in both leagues on a Tuesday and Thursday while Poland have televised meetings on Fridays and Saturdays. Let's also not forget that both Sweden and Poland have allowed and helped riders enter other competitions such as the SEC while Britain decided to stop any rider taking part.

 

Yes we all know that riders have been left unpaid in the past by certain clubs in Poland but we also have that in Sweden and here in Britain. Can they legally do it remains to be seen but if all teams stick together and say to the riders, only ride in one more country or league they are really leaving the option with the rider.

 

Most will pick Poland as it does pay much more than the others and riders do mostly get paid most or all of it in the end and the chance to earn three or four times as much there is a small risk they will take and it's on a fixed race night. Then we have Danish and Swedish riders requested to ride in their leagues in order to back their licence. This would mean riders like Iversen, Lindgren, Lindback, Kildemand and even others like Thorssell, Klindt, Bjerre etc would have to miss Britain if the opted to ride in Poland.

 

The Australians, Americans and others don't have their own leagues but can you see riders like Doyle, Holder and Hancock let alone the likes of Fricke or Zagar etc not opting to ride in both Sweden and Poland while most Polish riders would pick Sweden too with some maybe like Czech riders having little option.

 

 

Yes this will hit Britain hard as it affects ALL Polish teams in all divisions and Britain has to act quickly and right,y to address this issue. Either agree a new deal allowing certain riders to still ride here or most likely say to all riders, ride here for 40 plus meeting, commit and we will back you or shut the door on the way out.

 

This would mean without doubt that all tracks here would have to form one big league again as there would be no Elite League and no big names. This would at least not only give more riders the chance of a team place, mostly from the National League, but also give fans more variety in fixtures. It would however mean no doubling up allowed unless with National League teams.

 

Rebuild British Speedway and if those don't want to.bye bye.

[PolskiZuzel]

Riders are self employed. They rent themselves to their Polish club once a week.

...no they don'r. They SIGN A CONTRACT for a minimum of one season. A contract is something both sides agree to.

[speedibee]

'If true'? It might just help the sport in this country..?

 

Yes the quality on show will be lesser but at least they will be the riders who are available every week, meaning a consistent fixture list and who knows maybe no more guests? As presumably it will be the heat leaders effected, (ie the higher earners) could clubs afford to run more of a squad system..?

 

Get the team strengths equal and put four riders out in each race of reasonably equal ability, and even if races are three seconds slower than current, no one will notice any difference..

 

And if the higher earners have gone, a spin off could be that surely admission costs reduce too which may increase crowds?

 

Let all Brits DU so they would effectively have three leagues to race in..

 

As I say 'if true' it could mean the sport in this country has to finally face up to its 'true level' in the grand scheme of things, and stop constantly fudging the way it is ran because it's operational model is time and time again exposed as simply not fit for purpose..

 

Could be a real chance to 'start again' for the sport in this country?

 

And this time do it properly having learned all the mistakes of the past..

Good idea , we need to put a ban on new Aussies as well . so they don't use our leagues to get up to pace then bugger off to Poland , any rider who takes up the option of Poland + Sweden , or Denmark , should be finished in British speedway ,and have to pay back any transfer fees paid to them as well

[A ORLOV]

...no they don'r. They SIGN A CONTRACT for a minimum of one season. A contract is something both sides agree to.

And both have the option to amend the contract to suit their needs at the start of the season or not sign it and walk away.

[SteveLyric2]

Surely any rider (eg Aussies etc) who base themselves in UK will need to have a job in the UK to meet their work permit/visa conditions?!

 

So will that mean riders who maybe have families based here, changing their base to either Poland or Sweden or will it mean riders choosing British speedway and one other??

Edited October 1, 2016 by Skidder1

[Steve Shovlar]

Surely any rider (eg Aussies etc) who base themselves in UK will need to have a job in the UK to meet their work permit/visa conditions?!

 

So will that mean riders who maybe have families based here, changing their base to either Poland or Sweden or will it mean riders choosing British speedway and one other??

Just came on to post this exact point.

 

Holder, Doyle, Batchelor live in the UK and I know Holder has his own property in The New Forest. If they don't ride British EL they cannot base themselves in the UK as they have no reason to be here. I doubt they would want to go and live in Poland or a country where English is not the first language.

 

Pretty sure the Aussies will be kicking off about this big time.

[TheReturn]

Just came on to post this exact point.

 

Holder, Doyle, Batchelor live in the UK and I know Holder has his own property in The New Forest. If they don't ride British EL they cannot base themselves in the UK as they have no reason to be here. I doubt they would want to go and live in Poland or a country where English is not the first language.

 

Pretty sure the Aussies will be kicking off about this big time.

But didn't Holder take a season out from British speedway about three seasons ago?

[waiheke1]

Just came on to post this exact point.

 

Holder, Doyle, Batchelor live in the UK and I know Holder has his own property in The New Forest. If they don't ride British EL they cannot base themselves in the UK as they have no reason to be here. I doubt they would want to go and live in Poland or a country where English is not the first language.

 

Pretty sure the Aussies will be kicking off about this big time.

Surely if they can prove they have sufficient finances they can stay on a tourist visa, no need for a work visa if they are not planning to work in uk. Think they can spend 90 days in uk in a 6 month period, which would probably work ok for the season.

[rocketman77]

So the Polish PZM are demanding riders only ride in two countries league maximum. Even though riders are self employed the pzm are demanding the can only ride polish league and one more. So if Doyle rides Poland he can ride Sweden but not UK.

 

Every British EL club is affected. Who can this be legal?

 

Seems to me riders need to stand together in unison and tell the pzm where they can stick their rule.

 

Not sure how Poland can stop riders other than dropping them which they wont if they are the top GP riders..

[PolskiZuzel]

Just to be clear its only the Polish Extraliga that is planning to introduce this (they actually announced it as a possibility 12 months ago!)

 

I can't really understand why though?! Has any rider missed a Polish meeting due to clashes in the EL or Sweden? I doubt it very much.

 

NB. on a related topic Poole have told Hans Andersen that they will not tolerate clashes with his Danish League meetings next season - so he has to sort it out if he wants to utilise the 2nd year of his Poole contract.

So Poole can do it ( tell Andersen they won't tolerate clashes with his Danish League ), but Poles cannot. Why ?

 

Because weather cannot be predicted quite a few Polish matches had to be postponed and it turned out that some of their key riders were comitted to ride elsewhere on re schduled date

[TheReturn]

Because weather cannot be predicted quite a few Polish matches had to be postponed and it turned out that some of their key riders were comitted to ride elsewhere on re schduled date

So whose league should take precedent?

 

Maybe the only rule should be riders should give priority to fixtures in their own nation, i.e. Poles must ride in Poland on fixture clashes, Danes in Denmark and Brits in the UK.

[Steve Shovlar]

So Poole can do it ( tell Andersen they won't tolerate clashes with his Danish League ), but Poles cannot. Why ?

Because weather cannot be predicted quite a few Polish matches had to be postponed and it turned out that some of their key riders were comitted to ride elsewhere on re schduled date

Poole have said to Andersen if he wants the second year of his contract, Poole fixtures must take priority over Danish fixtures, as they ride on the same night. They are not stopping him from riding elsewhere or telling him to drop a league.

[Ghostwalker]

...no they don'r. They SIGN A CONTRACT for a minimum of one season. A contract is something both sides agree to.

 

I would say that contracts are signed between "Speedway team Ltd" and "speedway rider Ltd" so technically it's the riders' companies that signs the contract.

Regarding potential legal issues, those would come from the laws concerning freedom of movement and services on EU's inner market.

I don't think a federation like PZM, legally, can ban riders or rather the riders' companies from riding (working) in other countries as this possible could violate the free movement laws.

 

If you remember, FIM/BSI tried to block GP-riders from riding in both the SGP and SEC series but IIRC, they had to back down as it was against the free movement.

[dump that clutch]

So Poole can do it ( tell Andersen they won't tolerate clashes with his Danish League ), but Poles cannot. Why ?

 

Because weather cannot be predicted quite a few Polish matches had to be postponed and it turned out that some of their key riders were comitted to ride elsewhere on re schduled date

don't re-schedule on a date where key riders are missing, anyhow, don't the Poles have a squad system in place for this very issue..?

[LagutaRacingFan]

Is this because of Brexit?

[Ghostwalker]

Emil Sayfutdinov has said he won't be riding in Sweden next year........Hmmmmm!

 

It seems that he changed his mind then: https://twitter.com/EmilRacing89/status/782273575696867328

[uk_martin]

Tell Poland to go and get s**gg*d.

 

Stoping riders from earning a living. PZM are control freaks.

 

And when the BSPA effectively tell British riders "thou shallt not ride in the very lucrative SEC" - that's somehow different?

[Hamish McRaker]

Merge the Swedish and British leagues.