Steve Shovlar Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 So the Polish PZM are demanding riders only ride in two countries league maximum. Even though riders are self employed the pzm are demanding the can only ride polish league and one more. So if Doyle rides Poland he can ride Sweden but not UK. Every British EL club is affected. Who can this be legal? Seems to me riders need to stand together in unison and tell the pzm where they can stick their rule. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 I suppose it will come down to who pays the most, GB or Poland. Don't see how not wanting your workforce to moonlight in more than one country (and the GPs for some) can be seen as illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perton Wolf Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 This is absurd and incredibly arrogant. Can't for one minute think many riders who ride in the EL and have done so for many years, will bow to this demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 I think it was Darcy who tweeted that riders should tell them to stick it but also there's the money to think about in response to Iversen putting it up on twitter. Says it all really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) This is absurd and incredibly arrogant. Can't for one minute think many riders who ride in the EL and have done so for many years, will bow to this demand. Don't see it as arrogant. It's a way of ensuring they get their riders for their matches and, let's be honest, if we could do something to ensure EL riders ride EL first, the rest afterwards, we would. Trouble is we're now too small in the world of speedway to try it. Woffy sat out the EL, Freddie did the other year, Puk was going to this, so can't see that riders won't bow to it if the PZM really mean it. Edited September 28, 2016 by Vincent Blackshadow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Riders are self employed. They rent themselves to their Polish club once a week. How they spend their other days is surely up to the riders. This new rule will wreck the el if riders dont stand up to it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 We should do the same. Britain first then take your pick. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perton Wolf Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) Riders are self employed. They rent themselves to their Polish club once a week. How they spend their other days is surely up to the riders. This new rule will wreck the el if riders dont stand up to it. The EL is already in a bad and declining state, if riders went along with this then it would be totally finished and might as well merge with the PL.....the standard of racing would end up being that similar, regardless of EL clubs having that extra Buck. Edited September 28, 2016 by Perton Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 F*ck all to do with the Poles.They don't own the riders...As long as they turn out for them,they can do what they like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 F*ck all to do with the Poles.They don't own the riders...As long as they turn out for them,they can do what they like True, but the Poles are at liberty to not pick any who ride in Sweden and GB for the Polish matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 True, but the Poles are at liberty to not pick any who ride in Sweden and GB for the Polish matches. Correct. They could also make it a term of getting a contract that the rider is available for practice 7 days if they wanted. As it is, it's probably not an unreasonable restriction, so long as they are paying riders sufficiently well to still make it worth signing. I would imagine it will put "fringe" riders like harris and cook off signing for polish clubs, when there is no guarantee of meetings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Tell Poland to go and get s**gg*d. Stoping riders from earning a living. PZM are control freaks. Shag God? Or Ged? Don't see it as arrogant. It's a way of ensuring they get their riders for their matches and, let's be honest, if we could do something to ensure EL riders ride EL first, the rest afterwards, we would. Trouble is we're now too small in the world of speedway to try it. Woffy sat out the EL, Freddie did the other year, Puk was going to this, so can't see that riders won't bow to it if the PZM really mean it. Puk??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Puk??? Yes Puk only decided late to return for kl, I believe due to the injury to bratchelor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) 'If true'? It might just help the sport in this country..? Yes the quality on show will be lesser but at least they will be the riders who are available every week, meaning a consistent fixture list and who knows maybe no more guests? As presumably it will be the heat leaders effected, (ie the higher earners) could clubs afford to run more of a squad system..? Get the team strengths equal and put four riders out in each race of reasonably equal ability, and even if races are three seconds slower than current, no one will notice any difference.. And if the higher earners have gone, a spin off could be that surely admission costs reduce too which may increase crowds? Let all Brits DU so they would effectively have three leagues to race in.. As I say 'if true' it could mean the sport in this country has to finally face up to its 'true level' in the grand scheme of things, and stop constantly fudging the way it is ran because it's operational model is time and time again exposed as simply not fit for purpose.. Could be a real chance to 'start again' for the sport in this country? And this time do it properly having learned all the mistakes of the past.. Edited September 29, 2016 by mikebv 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Guaranteed rules would change before the season if all top riders refused this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Correct. They could also make it a term of getting a contract that the rider is available for practice 7 days if they wanted. As it is, it's probably not an unreasonable restriction, so long as they are paying riders sufficiently well to still make it worth signing. I would imagine it will put "fringe" riders like harris and cook off signing for polish clubs, when there is no guarantee of meetings. Indeed, many self-employed people (me included) have had contracts that restricted their ability to work for third parties. What amuses me is the indignation on here from so many British posters, completely oblivious to the fact that this is exactly the same way the BSPA behaved in the 70s and 80s when we had the world's top league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 This is absurd and incredibly arrogant. Can't for one minute think many riders who ride in the EL and have done so for many years, will bow to this demand. Unfortunately how many Elite League riders are there that ride in both leagues? Off the top of my head I would say 5 or 6. As we know the Polish League pays more and has a bit more kudos Than the Elite League. You are quite correct though in that it is quite arrogant of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 The top Danes certainly won't go for it. They have to ride a certain amount of meetings in there own league and certainly want to maintain their Swedish commitments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 The top Danes certainly won't go for it. They have to ride a certain amount of meetings in there own league No they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) Fair play to the Poles. They know they have the best hand to play and that riders won't jeopardise the top dollar they get there. As regards legality, how is this any different to any other contractor agreement where it's stipulated they can't provide their services elsewhere? Simply conflict of interests surely? Wouldn't get this issue if speedway was a proper team sport with one rider, one club . Edited September 29, 2016 by frigbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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