Daytripper Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Well done Kyle, yet again he shows that come the play offs he is ready to perform at the highest level. Hopefully the whole draft system will be binned in the winter and he'll have no choice but to continue his development into the main body of the team. He has the ability to be a 1-5 rider for sure and that should be his aim. The draft system is here to stay. Clubs on the point of bankruptcy can't afford to bin it. It will be a travesty though if the top finishing clubs once again finish up with the best reserves. If the EDR system was operated properly it would be much more popular than it is now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 I think you got yourself Poole rider of the year last night 100% a pirate hope we will see you back next year 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) I appreciate the chicken/egg scenario to this post, but…. If it wasn’t for the FTR system I doubt Kyle Newman would be as good as he is now. There are riders who will always find their way purely based on talent (Lambert) albeit their careers being guided in the right direct helps. It is though the likes of Newman, Starke and a few others that this system has genuinely helped. For all the faults re the structure of heat formatting etc and the supposed cost cutting nature of the system - there are benefits to it, there was too much a rush to see it removed and it was always going to take time. If a rider like Newman (as an example) had to be afforded 2/3/4 years at "reserve" to enable to him reach the level of performance where he could pass the World Champion on his own track…good…great…more, more, more…keep doing it, keep helping British riders, keep improving the churn of British riders. Personally I think given the shambolic nature of the race format in the EL that far too much is read into riders (in particularly British) on the basis of the number on their back rather than what they are doing on track and who they are beating, Newman as an example has beaten a lot of good riders and turned in a lot of good rides this season…he would have done that with 6/4/2/1/3 whatever number you wish to pick, once a race starts it means nothing. It needs reworked over the winter, but the foot on the ladder/how to climb the ladder nature of the system should remain. Edited September 29, 2016 by The Mockingjay 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 This lad seems to have a fair bir of stick thrown in his direction over the last year. A professional reserve with no interest in getting better. A rider who will never be anything. Reached his peak. Not as good as Garrity/Bates/sargeant etc etc etc. Yet Poole fans love him. And tonight he showed exactly why. A fantastic performance of effort and tenacity. Beating the world champ from the back and never giving up. Kyle had a life threatening injury this year but tonight he put in possibly his best performancd in a Pirates race jacket. Do Poole fans want him back in 2017? Hell yes! And looking at the PL GS averages he will come in on 3.16 Well done tonight Kyle. I agree with most of your post, fantastic attitude, but come on.. 3.16 next season. This is where the sport falls flat on its face and gets everyone's back up. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimli27 Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 I would like to see Kyle in the 1-5 he has proved he can beat a lot of riders in other 1-5 slots if he has a few iffy meetings then as per the rules he will end up as 6 or 7 anyway i honestly feel he can stay as a number 2 or 4 and wont end up as a reserve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 I agree with most of your post, fantastic attitude, but come on.. 3.16 next season. This is where the sport falls flat on its face and gets everyone's back up. The only way edr riders can get a fair average is to use their pl average. They can use their edr average as it would put all of them out of a team place. Kyles pl gs average is 6.31. If the conversion is 0.5, he is 3.16. How else can averages be worked out? Their pl average is not manipulated by easy el reserve rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 The only way edr riders can get a fair average is to use their pl average. They can use their edr average as it would put all of them out of a team place. Kyles pl gs average is 6.31. If the conversion is 0.5, he is 3.16. How else can averages be worked out? Their pl average is not manipulated by easy el reserve rides. No but their Premier league average is easily manipulated & you have to question how Kyle has such a low average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 The only way edr riders can get a fair average is to use their pl average. They can use their edr average as it would put all of them out of a team place. Kyles pl gs average is 6.31. If the conversion is 0.5, he is 3.16. How else can averages be worked out? Their pl average is not manipulated by easy el reserve rides. They can use their EDR averages for draft order picks. Makes way more sense. Have a feeling that it will only be one EDR next year tho if we go to 6 man teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 As suggested on the Poole forum, Kyle (and Adam) should be Poole's riders in the ELRC on 8th October - assuming its still on?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 I appreciate the chicken/egg scenario to this post, but…. If it wasn’t for the FTR system I doubt Kyle Newman would be as good as he is now. There are riders who will always find their way purely based on talent (Lambert) albeit their careers being guided in the right direct helps. It is though the likes of Newman, Starke and a few others that this system has genuinely helped. For all the faults re the structure of heat formatting etc and the supposed cost cutting nature of the system - there are benefits to it, there was too much a rush to see it removed and it was always going to take time. If a rider like Newman (as an example) had to be afforded 2/3/4 years at "reserve" to enable to him reach the level of performance where he could pass the World Champion on his own track…good…great…more, more, more…keep doing it, keep helping British riders, keep improving the churn of British riders. Personally I think given the shambolic nature of the race format in the EL that far too much is read into riders (in particularly British) on the basis of the number on their back rather than what they are doing on track and who they are beating, Newman as an example has beaten a lot of good riders and turned in a lot of good rides this season…he would have done that with 6/4/2/1/3 whatever number you wish to pick, once a race starts it means nothing. It needs reworked over the winter, but the foot on the ladder/how to climb the ladder nature of the system should remain. All that is true. Agreed the system works for the benefit of riders with ability but the problem is that it is manipulated to the benefit of certain clubs. No way should Newman be at Poole year after year as an EDR reserve. There should be more moving between clubs so that the bottom clubs one year get a clear first choice of reserves the following year. Of course , the system will never operate to its full potential while the PL numpties refuse to have anything to do with it. There needs to be graduated progress from NL to PL reserve then PL to EL reserve, in order to give the widest possible opportunities to riders and the widest pool of riders gaining experience for clubs to choose from. The fact that a high scoring reserve like Newman has spent three years with the same club is an indictment of the system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 They can use their EDR averages for draft order picks. Makes way more sense. Have a feeling that it will only be one EDR next year tho if we go to 6 man teams. There is no 6 man team option next season. The idea failed and has been scrapped hence test meetings cancelled. Most EL promoters are looking to remove the EDR system as it's run it's purpose in their eye's but are looking to accommodate British riders into every team in the 2017 system. In terms of the EDR's averages for 2017, the fairest option is to use their EL 2016 averages minus 20% 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) As suggested on the Poole forum, Kyle (and Adam) should be Poole's riders in the ELRC on 8th October - assuming its still on?!The bspa confirmed today it's still at Coventry on the 8th. Newman doesn't get the credit because of two reasons, 1 he is still an EDR rider and hasnt left that comfort zone. 2, his PL average is poor compared to some other EDR and the likes of Garrity. Get him in the top 5 for a season and if he performs then he will get the praise a bit like Garrity did this year. Edited September 29, 2016 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 There is no 6 man team option next season. The idea failed and has been scrapped hence test meetings cancelled. Most EL promoters are looking to remove the EDR system as it's run it's purpose in their eye's but are looking to accommodate British riders into every team in the 2017 system. In terms of the EDR's averages for 2017, the fairest option is to use their EL 2016 averages minus 20% Where is the link to confirm it's been scrapped. I have read nothing but positive reports so far from the promoters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeds Pirate Blue Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Congrats to Kyle for his excellent performances in both legs of the semi-final. He's had a tough year and he was superb in the two biggest matches of the season for us. Great to see a local lad getting it done on track for the Pirates. Not sure if he'll be back next year unless we do get to use his PL average. I'm tempted to say he deserves a place in the starting lineup regardless based on his commitment on track last night. And finally, it was great to see him produce those performances when several forum trolls were knocking him and suggesting Poole should replace him, or fiddle an injury to get him out the side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Where is the link to confirm it's been scrapped. I have read nothing but positive reports so far from the promoters. Link? No link required, Buster said it wasn't happening at the last EL meeting at King's Lynn during an interview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 if kyle remains reserve next year it will be fords biggest ever fiddle in the history of ford fiddles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Link? No link required, Buster said it wasn't happening at the last EL meeting at King's Lynn during an interview Must have missed that bit.Heard him say about ripping the rule book up,and only wanting riders that are fully comitted to British racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Link? No link required, Buster said it wasn't happening at the last EL meeting at King's Lynn during an interview Time will tell then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 if kyle remains reserve next year it will be fords biggest ever fiddle in the history of ford fiddles... No fiddling just working with the rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 I'm sure there's a way to find Kyles true EL average, all this talk of converting his PL one is rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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