Jump to content
British Speedway Forum

Kyle Newman. Take A Bow.


Recommended Posts

Well done Kyle, yet again he shows that come the play offs he is ready to perform at the highest level.

 

Hopefully the whole draft system will be binned in the winter and he'll have no choice but to continue his development into the main body of the team. He has the ability to be a 1-5 rider for sure and that should be his aim.

The draft system is here to stay. Clubs on the point of bankruptcy can't afford to bin it.

 

It will be a travesty though if the top finishing clubs once again finish up with the best reserves. If the EDR system was operated properly it would be much more popular than it is now .

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I appreciate the chicken/egg scenario to this post, but…. If it wasn’t for the FTR system I doubt Kyle Newman would be as good as he is now.

 

There are riders who will always find their way purely based on talent (Lambert) albeit their careers being guided in the right direct helps. It is though the likes of Newman, Starke and a few others that this system has genuinely helped.

 

For all the faults re the structure of heat formatting etc and the supposed cost cutting nature of the system - there are benefits to it, there was too much a rush to see it removed and it was always going to take time.

 

If a rider like Newman (as an example) had to be afforded 2/3/4 years at "reserve" to enable to him reach the level of performance where he could pass the World Champion on his own track…good…great…more, more, more…keep doing it, keep helping British riders, keep improving the churn of British riders.

 

Personally I think given the shambolic nature of the race format in the EL that far too much is read into riders (in particularly British) on the basis of the number on their back rather than what they are doing on track and who they are beating, Newman as an example has beaten a lot of good riders and turned in a lot of good rides this season…he would have done that with 6/4/2/1/3 whatever number you wish to pick, once a race starts it means nothing.

 

It needs reworked over the winter, but the foot on the ladder/how to climb the ladder nature of the system should remain.

Edited by The Mockingjay
  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

This lad seems to have a fair bir of stick thrown in his direction over the last year.

A professional reserve with no interest in getting better. A rider who will never be anything. Reached his peak. Not as good as Garrity/Bates/sargeant etc etc etc.

 

Yet Poole fans love him. And tonight he showed exactly why. A fantastic performance of effort and tenacity. Beating the world champ from the back and never giving up. Kyle had a life threatening injury this year but tonight he put in possibly his best performancd in a Pirates race jacket.

 

Do Poole fans want him back in 2017? Hell yes! And looking at the PL GS averages he will come in on 3.16

 

Well done tonight Kyle.

I agree with most of your post, fantastic attitude, but come on.. 3.16 next season. This is where the sport falls flat on its face and gets everyone's back up.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I agree with most of your post, fantastic attitude, but come on.. 3.16 next season. This is where the sport falls flat on its face and gets everyone's back up.

The only way edr riders can get a fair average is to use their pl average. They can use their edr average as it would put all of them out of a team place. Kyles pl gs average is 6.31. If the conversion is 0.5, he is 3.16.

 

How else can averages be worked out? Their pl average is not manipulated by easy el reserve rides.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The only way edr riders can get a fair average is to use their pl average. They can use their edr average as it would put all of them out of a team place. Kyles pl gs average is 6.31. If the conversion is 0.5, he is 3.16.

 

How else can averages be worked out? Their pl average is not manipulated by easy el reserve rides.

No but their Premier league average is easily manipulated & you have to question how Kyle has such a low average.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The only way edr riders can get a fair average is to use their pl average. They can use their edr average as it would put all of them out of a team place. Kyles pl gs average is 6.31. If the conversion is 0.5, he is 3.16.

How else can averages be worked out? Their pl average is not manipulated by easy el reserve rides.

They can use their EDR averages for draft order picks. Makes way more sense.

Have a feeling that it will only be one EDR next year tho if we go to 6 man teams.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I appreciate the chicken/egg scenario to this post, but…. If it wasn’t for the FTR system I doubt Kyle Newman would be as good as he is now.

 

There are riders who will always find their way purely based on talent (Lambert) albeit their careers being guided in the right direct helps. It is though the likes of Newman, Starke and a few others that this system has genuinely helped.

 

For all the faults re the structure of heat formatting etc and the supposed cost cutting nature of the system - there are benefits to it, there was too much a rush to see it removed and it was always going to take time.

 

If a rider like Newman (as an example) had to be afforded 2/3/4 years at "reserve" to enable to him reach the level of performance where he could pass the World Champion on his own track…good…great…more, more, more…keep doing it, keep helping British riders, keep improving the churn of British riders.

 

Personally I think given the shambolic nature of the race format in the EL that far too much is read into riders (in particularly British) on the basis of the number on their back rather than what they are doing on track and who they are beating, Newman as an example has beaten a lot of good riders and turned in a lot of good rides this season…he would have done that with 6/4/2/1/3 whatever number you wish to pick, once a race starts it means nothing.

 

It needs reworked over the winter, but the foot on the ladder/how to climb the ladder nature of the system should remain.

 

 

All that is true. Agreed the system works for the benefit of riders with ability but the problem is that it is manipulated to the benefit of certain clubs. No way should Newman be at Poole year after year as an EDR reserve. There should be more moving between clubs so that the bottom clubs one year get a clear first choice of reserves the following year. Of course , the system will never operate to its full potential while the PL numpties refuse to have anything to do with it. There needs to be graduated progress from NL to PL reserve then PL to EL reserve, in order to give the widest possible opportunities to riders and the widest pool of riders gaining experience for clubs to choose from. The fact that a high scoring reserve like Newman has spent three years with the same club is an indictment of the system.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

They can use their EDR averages for draft order picks. Makes way more sense.

Have a feeling that it will only be one EDR next year tho if we go to 6 man teams.

 

There is no 6 man team option next season. The idea failed and has been scrapped hence test meetings cancelled.

 

Most EL promoters are looking to remove the EDR system as it's run it's purpose in their eye's but are looking to accommodate British riders into every team in the 2017 system.

 

In terms of the EDR's averages for 2017, the fairest option is to use their EL 2016 averages minus 20%

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

As suggested on the Poole forum, Kyle (and Adam) should be Poole's riders in the ELRC on 8th October - assuming its still on?!

The bspa confirmed today it's still at Coventry on the 8th.

 

Newman doesn't get the credit because of two reasons, 1 he is still an EDR rider and hasnt left that comfort zone. 2, his PL average is poor compared to some other EDR and the likes of Garrity. Get him in the top 5 for a season and if he performs then he will get the praise a bit like Garrity did this year.

Edited by woz01
Link to comment
Share on other sites

There is no 6 man team option next season. The idea failed and has been scrapped hence test meetings cancelled.

 

Most EL promoters are looking to remove the EDR system as it's run it's purpose in their eye's but are looking to accommodate British riders into every team in the 2017 system.

 

In terms of the EDR's averages for 2017, the fairest option is to use their EL 2016 averages minus 20%

Where is the link to confirm it's been scrapped. I have read nothing but positive reports so far from the promoters.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Congrats to Kyle for his excellent performances in both legs of the semi-final. He's had a tough year and he was superb in the two biggest matches of the season for us. Great to see a local lad getting it done on track for the Pirates. Not sure if he'll be back next year unless we do get to use his PL average. I'm tempted to say he deserves a place in the starting lineup regardless based on his commitment on track last night.

 

And finally, it was great to see him produce those performances when several forum trolls were knocking him and suggesting Poole should replace him, or fiddle an injury to get him out the side.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Where is the link to confirm it's been scrapped. I have read nothing but positive reports so far from the promoters.

 

Link?

 

No link required, Buster said it wasn't happening at the last EL meeting at King's Lynn during an interview

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

Link?

 

No link required, Buster said it wasn't happening at the last EL meeting at King's Lynn during an interview

Must have missed that bit.Heard him say about ripping the rule book up,and only wanting riders that are fully comitted to British racing.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue. Privacy Policy