Agrotron Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Nothing will come out of the AGM its a joke it is every year, all we ever hear is the same lines its gong to be the biggest AGM yet! So I think we can except if anything does get decided on it will be either farcical or will be a complete balls up why break a habit of a lifetime. Until an independent board is installed it will continue to be a joke with self interest. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Every team to have two former draft riders. Or it makes the draft pointsless. Other than each team having to have two former draft riders they get no special treatment. They get averages the same etc. Guests or replacements have to be another former draft riders though (or r/r). Also every team have to have a Brit aged 23 or less at number 7 who stays at reserve all seasons. This rider can be a former draft rider if their average fits. Some sort of weighting applied to averages so riders who spent a season in reserve are not forced out because they have an inflated average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Nothing will come out of the AGM its a joke it is every year, all we ever hear is the same lines its gong to be the biggest AGM yet! So I think we can except if anything does get decided on it will be either farcical or will be a complete balls up why break a habit of a lifetime. Until an independent board is installed it will continue to be a joke with self interest. Shouldn't that be "a joke with Poole's interest." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Every team to have two former draft riders. Or it makes the draft pointsless. Other than each team having to have two former draft riders they get no special treatment. They get averages the same etc. Guests or replacements have to be another former draft riders though (or r/r). Also every team have to have a Brit aged 23 or less at number 7 who stays at reserve all seasons. This rider can be a former draft rider if their average fits. Some sort of weighting applied to averages so riders who spent a season in reserve are not forced out because they have an inflated average. Great post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Shouldn't that be "a joke with Poole's interest." See you had to be a knob! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 I believe I'm not mistaken when I read correctly that "things may get worse before they get better"... in which case I look forward to the resumption of a 2nd joker when a team is 12 pts behind, plus the 'man on man' heats previously trialled in KO Cup given another go as they didn't really get much of a trial last time... Apart from that can't think of much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 I believe I'm not mistaken when I read correctly that "things may get worse before they get better"... in which case I look forward to the resumption of a 2nd joker when a team is 12 pts behind, plus the 'man on man' heats previously trialled in KO Cup given another go as they didn't really get much of a trial last time... Apart from that can't think of much I think you'll find the quote was specifically about BV speedway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 I believe I'm not mistaken when I read correctly that "things may get worse before they get better"... in which case I look forward to the resumption of a 2nd joker when a team is 12 pts behind, plus the 'man on man' heats previously trialled in KO Cup given another go as they didn't really get much of a trial last time... Apart from that can't think of much Yes I read that!!Cannot see many major changes for next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Every team to have two former draft riders. Or it makes the draft pointsless. Other than each team having to have two former draft riders they get no special treatment. They get averages the same etc. Guests or replacements have to be another former draft riders though (or r/r). Also every team have to have a Brit aged 23 or less at number 7 who stays at reserve all seasons. This rider can be a former draft rider if their average fits. Some sort of weighting applied to averages so riders who spent a season in reserve are not forced out because they have an inflated average. Agree with most of this. But I'd just say 3 brits, one of whom must be u23. I think the u23 can move up or down based on average nor be "protected." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 See you had to be a knob! If you write sh** that's the sort of response you must expect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Agree with most of this. But I'd just say 3 brits, one of whom must be u23. I think the u23 can move up or down based on average nor be "protected." I'd not be against that. I'm just thinking more along the lines of trying to bring along the next lot fo draft riders. But thinking about it you'd probably have Sarj, Clegg, Jacobs etc getting another season stuck in reserve if they got to stay in reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 I'd not be against that. I'm just thinking more along the lines of trying to bring along the next lot fo draft riders. But thinking about it you'd probably have Sarj, Clegg, Jacobs etc getting another season stuck in reserve if they got to stay in reserve.Best way to incentivise a new wave is to say they come in on a 2 assessed average imo. I could see both aces and poole potentially going with a 2 pointer if your system was adopted as would allow them to field a genuine hl trio.Saying foreigners can have a minimum 4 average would also help, as it would make the likes of huckenbeck and busk jscobsen less appealing vs a young brit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted October 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Get rid of the asset system so teams don't have to wait on the few to start there team building free for all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Thumper Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) If Speedway was a patient in a British hospital, the notes on the clipboard at the end of his bed would read, "Terminally ill, Do not resuscitate". When promotions from the newest and shiniest to the oldest and grubbiest are facing unprecedented financial challenges, as a result of which some riders have allegedly not been paid, then the illness is clearly serious and life-threatening. Can Speedway survive the latest onset of disease or will his treatment be too late and merely palliative? I have known my dear friend, Speedway for over 50 years and we have had plenty of good times along the way. Even these days we still have a few laughs. But we are both older and a little ragged round the edges but whilst I have done my best to move with the times, dear old Speedway has kept ploughing the same old furrow, wearing the same old clothes and harking back to the "Good Old Days". But our friend, Speedway can yet be saved.......Alleluia, Brothers and Sisters! Courageous and drastic surgery can revive the flagging patient. This brave surgical intervention will involve the removal of a lot of dead tissue and grafting in that which is new and vibrant. It will involve totally re-structuring the way that the sport is organized and it will mean burning the various rule books ans starting afresh. Do we have brave surgeons in charge of our sport who have the vision and the expertise to see beyond their own personal aspirations and realize that if they do not make that first incision quickly and decisively then Speedway will have breathed his last. Would I be sad if Speedway died quietly in his sleep? Yes, I would feel as though part of my very being had been ripped from me. But I would far rather Speedway drifted away quietly and with dignity rather than see the Old Boy stagger on past his sell-by date in obvious pain and being ridiculed by those around him. Whether Speedway comes bounding out of the hospital like a spring lamb or is wheeled away in the dead of the night to that quiet, windowless basement room in the hospital building is in the hands of those medical practitioners that oversee the health of our beloved friend. Does their expertise extend beyond applying a few sticking plasters onto Speedway's tired and twisted body? Do they still believe that putting leeches on the wound continues to be the answer to every ailment that has ever existed? Having spoken with others whose knowledge of Speedway's condition is far greater than mine could ever be, I rate the patient's chance of survival at 50/50. The treatment plan must be initiated without delay and we put our faith in those that we have entrusted with our dear friend's survival. Do not let us down. Namaste _/\_ Edited October 17, 2016 by Little Thumper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) 'Courageous and drastic surgery can revive the flagging patient' usually means a very long period of recuperation and rehabilitation rather than fully regaining health and fitness in order to return to work immediately!! Edited October 17, 2016 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Thumper Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 'Courageous and drastic surgery can revive the flagging patient' usually means a very long period of recuperation and rehabilitation rather than fully regaining health and fitness in order to return to work immediately!! Skidder1, your grasp of the world of medicine does you proud. I would rather the patient be enjoying a little R&R than be boosting the profits of the local undertaking business. I have confidence that change is in the air! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) Is it time for radical solutions..? Is it time for teams of five riders as per Denmark? Is it time for a salary cap of say 5k a team per meeting? Number One gets 1500, (eg Cook, Anderson, Hougaard, Nilsson King), Numbers two and three (PL number ones and EL heat leaders) get 1000, Numbers four and five (PL heat leaders and EL second strings get 750 each. No GP or world class riders, instead use their would be salary for two home and away matches as a £5k winner takes all prize fund (1k each to the winning teams riders). That would mean something is riding on every meeting. Unlike now where many meetings are dead rubbers with the season over for many by August and even those who will qualify for the PO's still often have little to ride for if qualification is assured.. We know Speedway can still generate a crowd if there is something riding on the outcome so make it happen.. To make it pay you would need to clear after all non riding costs, £15k per home match for both home and away meetings and the prize money. (Team sponsor and Sky cash could also maybe help cover it?) Basically top and tail most EL teams this year by removing the Number One and the Number Seven and you have roughly the team strength level.. No guests from the same league, a RR system that is fit for purpose and could you get 10 evenly matched teams coming to the tapes next season..? If you could it would mean 36 matches, (18 at home). Maybe top eight for the play offs which would deliver a quarter, semi and Final for the two teams. (First v Eight, Second v Seventh etc would be the plan). Win all your home matches and the Number One would earn £72k a season without any sponsorship. Let all riders DU and that would take them to circa £100k+ just for riding over here. And if their team got to the play offs even more... Could we get 50 riders of the criteria to deliver 10 teams? Is it doable and would it be viable..? Maybe it is time to get on the front foot re Poland's plans re riders restrictions and be self sufficient? Weekly Speedway on nights that generate the best crowds. No meetings arranged when it is known programmed riders will be missing and a bit of added spice where riders can more than double their pay through bonus payments if they help their team win the match and could it help get Speedway back on its feet? Edited October 17, 2016 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Good outside the box thinking. But essentially I think you are diluting the quality of rider, without reducing costs. Not sure the 5k prize find will materially improve the quality of racing, but I suspect losing the world class riders will adversely impact crowds. What's a realistic estimate of costs to stage a meeting exc riders wages? 5k? 10k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bees_Man Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Would you trust certain promotions to stick to the agreed points monies??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Is it time for radical solutions..? Is it time for teams of five riders as per Denmark? Is it time for a salary cap of say 5k a team per meeting? Number One gets 1500, (eg Cook, Anderson, Hougaard, Nilsson King), Numbers two and three (PL number ones and EL heat leaders) get 1000, Numbers four and five (PL heat leaders and EL second strings get 750 each. For thinking outside of the box, this has to be one of the best options I've read. We need to think along those lines for survival. Our sport is in need of a new direction and this could be the idea needed to move forward. The amount of time we go to a meeting when there is nothing at stake and riders going through the motions destroys any competitive racing, this would add tremendously to teams attitude... Good outside the box thinking. But essentially I think you are diluting the quality of rider, without reducing costs. Not sure the 5k prize find will materially improve the quality of racing, but I suspect losing the world class riders will adversely impact crowds. What's a realistic estimate of costs to stage a meeting exc riders wages? 5k? 10k? We don't have to have SGP riders to get big crowds at meetings. Our sport cant finance them anymore. The sooner we realise that we can move forward... Mike BV : Brilliant idea.......Only hope the BSPA are watching and taking note..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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