A ORLOV Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) FFS..How can they do that All they can do is if they know a rider is riding for two other clubs they have the choice to not sign him up. Where the issue may arise is if a top rider they want decides to ride for two others. Edited September 27, 2016 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) I wouldnt even claim to know the ins and outs re the actual rule book, I dont have the hours in the day or interest to bother with it, most of it either goes over my head or I simply try and blank out. The general premise works 4 laps, 4 riders I wouldnt mind alterations to heat formats and personally I would like it to move to structure comparable to the PL in both leagues 7 man teams, 15 heats with 1 reserve who can race in protected heats and cant be replaced eg 2/4/8 with all other team members able to trade places based on averages. I also like the idea of the last 3 heats being nominated races I would be tempted to scrap THE points limit as its a bit of a nonsense now given there is generally quite a large disparity between teams any way, it feels like it creates more problems than it solves. I also feel like a removal of the idea that all can compete per se affords clubs the chance to both find their place and also develop to be better, the points limit breeds laziness IMO. If its only one rider to be under XX and British, you can't have protected heats, unless you mean he/they/she cannot be withdrawn from those/that race, because there are 4 riders per race, to make it totally protected, it means riding against the same quality of opposition, which means 2 riders from both teams.. Also, the riders drafted/signed/assigned can either stay at #6 and #7 all season, or possibly, if there average rises, can be promoted up to 2nd string, I.E #4 or #2, they are forbidden from rising into a heat leader role, I.E #1, #3 or #5. A protected rider, I.E #6 and #7 can only miss a ride during the meeting, if certified medically unfit to ride by the official Doctor or official Paramedic, if both present, whichever is senior in a medical capacity. Or #6 and #7 can be excluded, but not replaced by any other rider than the #6 or #7, if both #6 & #7 are both in the race, then the excluded #6 or "7 must go off 15m handicap. Both #6 and #7 must complete if fit, and not medically withdrawn by the official Doctor of Paramedic, take a minimum of 4 rides, and a maximum of 6 rides, unless the team has lost to medical grounds a number #1, #2, #3, #4 or #5, where by one or both #6 and #7 can take a 7th ride.. That's the reserves sorted.... Edited September 27, 2016 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 What we would like, and what we will get is two entirely different things.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 What we would like, and what we will get is two entirely different things.. What Poole would like, what Poole will get are exactly the same thing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 What Poole would like, what Poole will get are exactly the same thing No mate, we still have to assemble a team within the points limit. Like every other club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 No mate, we still have to assemble a team within the points limit. Like every other club. At the start of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 At the start of the season And then bring in ringers for the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 At the start of the season Yep we do. Your point is ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) Yep we do. Your point is ? You always find a way to win.I said that 2 months ago.Not getting into it but we all know what I (we) all mean You start ok then when your on the ropes u always find a way to win.Not all Fords fault.They let u get away with it, year after year Edited September 27, 2016 by Bald Bloke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 You always find a way to win.I said that 2 months ago.Not getting into it but we all know what I (we) all mean Sorry mate, just a shame other promotions have not got the same will to win as Matt. Yes we are in it to win it, not finish 2nd 3rd or 4th. But at the start of the season we still line up within the points limit.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 I'd go as far as to say(and I know it will never happen) if Poole was replaced in the Elite league with a Pre team it would be a better place 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzAssStar Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Bald Bloke, on 27 Sept 2016 - 10:42 PM, said:I'd go as far as to say(and I know it will never happen) if Poole was replaced in the Elite league with a Pre team it would be a better place I'd go as far as to say (and I hope it will happen) if scumborne road slid into Poole harbour the world would be a better place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) Wouldn't that be restraint of trade under EU law ? Unless the Poles are going to pay the riders a salary I wouldn't think so. The rider can choose whether to sign up to a contract under those terms or not.I would imagine the club could stipulate the rider being available 7 days a week of they wanted. Edited September 27, 2016 by waihekeaces1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 As somebody said, who do Poland think they are? The riders need to stick together to ensure this doesn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) I would like to see a league set up that allows any meeting to be planned in when the majority of riders will knowingly be missing, thus meaning lots of guest riders to bring 'variety' to the watching public. The very fact that there are so many riders in attendance, from so many different clubs around the country, will more than make up for any lack of integrity in the arranging of (and obviously the outcome) of the match.. Maybe also put together a 'heat leader' list whereby teams can have only two from it? However the obvious caveat to that is to ensure certain 'heat leader' calibre riders are omitted so teams can end up with effectively three 'heat leader level' riders whilst others struggle to get two decent ones.. And finally, allow the four teams who qualify for the play offs the opportunity to bring in ringers from other teams on a 'horses for courses' basis. Not only would this increase their chances of victory in the play offs but also de-value the importance of 112 qualification matches preceding them... Food for thought maybe? A bit too radical possibly? Watch this space... Edited September 28, 2016 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 No mate, we still have to assemble a team within the points limit. Like every other club. That's not exactly true is it. How many times has Poole signed a ringer on a ridiculous average. All these things come into play as to why nobody like Poole. The comments about the league would be a better place without Poole are very hurtful, but also very true......... At least there would be some creditability back to this sport.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) That's not exactly true is it. How many times has Poole signed a ringer on a ridiculous average. All these things come into play as to why nobody like Poole. The comments about the league would be a better place without Poole are very hurtful, but also very true......... At least there would be some creditability back to this sport....Ah but you are forgetting - other teams have the same opportunities to sign these riders - blah, blah, blah Oh! And the classic line - we haven't broken any rules! Edited September 28, 2016 by Steve0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 As somebody said, who do Poland think they are? The riders need to stick together to ensure this doesn't happen. With the kind of contracts they can offer, but always honour, to ride in Poland most riders, especially the Polish ones will always put Poland first and the clubs know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 With the kind of contracts they can offer, but always honour, to ride in Poland most riders, especially the Polish ones will always put Poland first and the clubs know that. If it does go ahead and the riders do not stand up for their own rights any idea of a squad system in the UK next year is up the creek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 If it does go ahead and the riders do not stand up for their own rights any idea of a squad system in the UK next year is up the creek. Don`t see this getting off the ground, possibly un-workable and probably illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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