sparkafag Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 If its only one rider to be under XX and British, you can't have protected heats Have had it in the PL all season.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 rules that make it a level playing field one club benefits most from the rules the new rule that reserves get an average and go up into main body has enabled one club to get a 1-5 go down to reserve build his average up then be enabled to get replaced by a rider that has an average from riding against heat leaders getting a gp riders average reduced! never before has this happened, 2 seasons ago piotr pawlicki was assessed by bspa as 7.50 and he wasnt in the gp's so how can a rider number 8 in the world be a 7???? the rule about a 7 day injury replacemt for the play offs suits one club as no other club can afford to bring in a top gp rider, ie lakeside had jonsson injured by they went with r/r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 I would like to see a league set up that allows any meeting to be planned in when the majority of riders will knowingly be missing, thus meaning lots of guest riders to bring 'variety' to the watching public. The very fact that there are so many riders in attendance, from so many different clubs around the country, will more than make up for any lack of integrity in the arranging of (and obviously the outcome) of the match.. Maybe also put together a 'heat leader' list whereby teams can have only two from it? However the obvious caveat to that is to ensure certain 'heat leader' calibre riders are omitted so teams can end up with effectively three 'heat leader level' riders whilst others struggle to get two decent ones.. And finally, allow the four teams who qualify for the play offs the opportunity to bring in ringers from other teams on a 'horses for courses' basis. Not only would this increase their chances of victory in the play offs but also de-value the importance of 112 qualification matches preceding them... Food for thought maybe? A bit too radical possibly? Watch this space... I would prefer to see guests totally banned, teams should have to bring in a NL rider or use r/r. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Don`t see this getting off the ground, possibly un-workable and probably illegal. It may technically be illegal but a Polish club not offering any rider who wants to ride for more than two clubs a position is not illegal, they could just say they do not want that rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Wouldn't that be restraint of trade under EU law ? Unless the Poles are going to pay the riders a salary So what, who is going to complain? the riders will not as they could be "blacklisted" and severely limit their chances of earning a contract in future seasons. Personally, I believe that having riders racing in different countries for differing teams is detrimental to the sport as a whole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 I would like Matt Fraud to stop getting away with daylight robbery!! I would like more promoters to be more like Matt Ford - Promoting speedway and creating competitive teams - and no I am not a Poole supporter in terms of it being my local team - but I do wish more teams had promoters like him. FFS..How can they do that Easy - the contract with the Polish club contains the provision of restricting the rider to riding for the Polish club and one other. The rider then has a choice to agree and sign or not as the case maybe. This overcomes the restraint of trade aspect. This would not be the case if a rider has a current contract in situ for the 2017 season which does not contain the clause. However the club could make an additional payment or agree compensation with the rider if he allows the clause to be inserted into the current contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 If any polish clubs only want riders to ride for two clubs max then it won't happen because say Jason Doyle for example has to drop British Speedway for Polish and Swedish Speedway he'll simply ask the Poles for more money to compensation for his British League losses and thus the Polish will lose out even more financially.... would probably work fine for those riders who only ride for two clubs already. I have been reading these threads with people putting together their 2017 teams etc. and what makes the sport more of a joke is that most of the teams are just Premier League riders with the odd-name thrown in who is GP/Ex GP etc. British Speedway need to put the sport in order and stick to any changes for the next 3 years and stabilise the sport with consistancy. Fortunately or Unfortunately, it will have to lead to 6 rider teams with two being reserves, two being "Heat Leaders" and two classed as second strings built to a 38 point limit with a Northern/Southern split. C'mon...whoever you support put together based on current averages your 6 rider team for next season within 38 points - baring in mind that any riders who don't have a PL average, you will have to take their EL and multiply by 1.4 to get their average for the Northern/Southern split! My Club Ipswich would be Danny King 9.38 Scott Nicholls 8.79 Nico Covatti 7.32 James Sarjeant 5.45 Connor Coles 3.00 Danyon Hume 3.00 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) Just want those in charge to think about making the product into something people want. Currently, it isn't. Which is why it's dying on it's arse, each year its the same old rubbish and people like me have had enough. Speedway should be entertaining, and the team that wins should be the best combination of 7 riders and NOT whoever is best exploiting the grey areas of the ridiculously complicated rule book. Stable team, regular race night, well prepared track, clean facilities, well run meetings, £15 admission. Edited September 28, 2016 by pointsmeanplayoffs 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 If any polish clubs only want riders to ride for two clubs max then it won't happen because say Jason Doyle for example has to drop British Speedway for Polish and Swedish Speedway he'll simply ask the Poles for more money to compensation for his British League losses and thus the Polish will lose out even more financially.... would probably work fine for those riders who only ride for two clubs already. I have been reading these threads with people putting together their 2017 teams etc. and what makes the sport more of a joke is that most of the teams are just Premier League riders with the odd-name thrown in who is GP/Ex GP etc. British Speedway need to put the sport in order and stick to any changes for the next 3 years and stabilise the sport with consistancy. Fortunately or Unfortunately, it will have to lead to 6 rider teams with two being reserves, two being "Heat Leaders" and two classed as second strings built to a 38 point limit with a Northern/Southern split. C'mon...whoever you support put together based on current averages your 6 rider team for next season within 38 points - baring in mind that any riders who don't have a PL average, you will have to take their EL and multiply by 1.4 to get their average for the Northern/Southern split! My Club Ipswich would be Danny King 9.38 Scott Nicholls 8.79 Nico Covatti 7.32 James Sarjeant 5.45 Connor Coles 3.00 Danyon Hume 3.00 And the Polish club replies...You'll get no more, they know he'll stay because they are able to pay far more than all his others put together, why do you think riders miss meetings because their Polish club has ordered them to attend practice? The Poles can do whatever they like, we've seen them flexing their muscles more and more in recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 FFS..How can they do that Because they pay the riders the most money, no doubt they can do as they wish. If they were to give the riders an ultimatum they would soon comply. Too much money too lose.... Could be the Kick up the arse the BSPA want. It will enable us to run our sport with riders who want to race her,e and not be dictated by foreign fixtures and SGP's.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Yet another Matta$$ licker who can't see beyond the end of scumborne road ! Have you read any other of my posts on threads? I am not a Poole fan nor have I been to Wimborne Road for quite a while. I actually stated that for the good of the sport (and because I am a neutral who cheers on the underdog), I would like a Lakeside v Wolves final. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Dump the TR rule Get out of the Gospeed contract if possible. All tracks/clubs to be run/promoted to a set standard, some clubs may suffer ... Too many riders going missing, double up/down, Swedish league/Polish league/Danish league/under 21, Long track, GP qualifiers. What,s the answer...........? Stop ripping the fans off!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimli27 Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Am going to get shot down here but i am sure some posters have said if the top guys want to go let them lets have two teams giving it a right go may not be the star names but still fourteen guys racing its the sport that counts not just the top few riders most who dont bother over here anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 To give some consideration to the views/comments of the supporters and for the powers that be and promoters to remember that they are in the entertainment industry and not an exclusive/private club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Have more transparency to the fans by releasing any riders average that they would have if they rode in Britain so everyone is aware. Sort the race format out & lastly sort out the reserve averages so they are fair. Not much to ask but I bet the clowns still mess it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttons Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 A totally new rulebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Roads Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 When is the bspa AGM. When do we find out as supporters the new formats rule changes etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Because they pay the riders the most money, no doubt they can do as they wish. If they were to give the riders an ultimatum they would soon comply. Too much money too lose.... Could be the Kick up the arse the BSPA want. It will enable us to run our sport with riders who want to race her,e and not be dictated by foreign fixtures and SGP's.... It's bloody wrong .I heard a few years back that a top rider in the UK who could earn a 2 K guarantee in the UK.Can earn 20 in Poland.I know we don't get the crowds to pay more,but the Poles,even if they pay more,surly can't tell self employed riders where they can work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bees_Man Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Is it in November ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 It's bloody wrong .I heard a few years back that a top rider in the UK who could earn a 2 K guarantee in the UK.Can earn 20 in Poland.I know we don't get the crowds to pay more,but the Poles,even if they pay more,surly can't tell self employed riders where they can work. Maybe, maybe not. But what they can say is that they won't employ them if they ride in both GB and Sweden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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