Wolverhampton V Poole: El Play-off Semi-final 2nd Leg

[Gemini]

 

 

The rubbish play off format strikes again!
Poole are clearly the second best team in the league but dreadful injuries at the wrong time has robbed them of their rightful second best finish.

 

Shame. I'm gutted. Never mind though the top team could still become the champions. No-one remembers who was second best.

[stevebrum]

Really? In the only year they didn't win in recent years. Team this year was Dudek, Kasprzak, Pawlicki & Zmarzlick.

And? He was good enough to be selected which was my point.

[Pinny]

With the side Poole fielded, there would of been something wrong had Wolves not progressed to the final.

 

One comment that keeps striking me as odd is how a certain poster keeps saying Poole were gifted points in the home leg by Wolves riders using the wrong lines!? Well ill be damned, thats how 90 percent of overtaking is done in speedway is it not?!

 

Poole were never going to go through with that patched up line up, And i really do wonder whether they would of gone through with a full side. As soon as Woffy signed, they looked favourites to me. A top four of tai, lindgren, masters and thorsell with PK backing them up and howarth as a reserve, they always looked favs as of tais signing. And bv looked favs before that.

 

Poole havent looked like winning the league since about May, the bookies switched BV to favorites months ago

 

Should be a cracking final

[stevebrum]

Shame. I'm gutted. Never mind though the top team could still become the champions. No-one remembers who was second best.

 

And crowds looked good at both venues. The play offs always bring out the crowds.

[BWitcher]

With the side Poole fielded, there would of been something wrong had Wolves not progressed to the final.

 

One comment that keeps striking me as odd is how a certain poster keeps saying Poole were gifted points in the home leg by Wolves riders using the wrong lines!? Well ill be damned, thats how 90 percent of overtaking is done in speedway is it not?!

 

 

 

No it isn't in the slightest.

 

You can gift opponents a pass by moving over and allowing them to ride under you, completely unchallenged.. as Wolves did on six occasions at Poole.. or you learn from the first couple of times it happens and block that move meaning the rider behind has to try something different.

 

Case in point, Heat 12 at Poole where Kyle Howarth did enter turn 1 on the inside each time forcing Newman to work hard and try something different. Eventually he got him with a cutback out of two on the last lap but he had to work damn hard for it.

 

Clearly Poole are rubbish at Monmore when the home team prepare the track to their advantage as they should. Kurtz was barely able to complete a lap. What a rider.

 

Don't feed Fred, he's just making his usual trolling post.. unfortunately for him, everybody knows his script now and pretty much ignores.

[Pinny]

 

No it isn't in the slightest.

 

You can gift opponents a pass by moving over and allowing them to ride under you, completely unchallenged.. as Wolves did on six occasions at Poole.. or you learn from the first couple of times it happens and block that move meaning the rider behind has to try something different.

 

Case in point, Heat 12 at Poole where Kyle Howarth did enter turn 1 on the inside each time forcing Newman to work hard and try something different. Eventually he got him with a cutback out of two on the last lap but he had to work damn hard for it.

 

 

Don't feed Fred, he's just making his usual trolling post.. unfortunately for him, everybody knows his script now and pretty much ignores.

Of course it is. Most passes are made by riders going onto the faster racing line to go round/under the rider in front. If all riders rode the correct line you would never see an over take

[BWitcher]

Of course it is. Most passes are made by riders going onto the faster racing line to go round/under the rider in front. If all riders rode the correct line you would never see an over take

 

Although you are wrong in this assertion, you're basically agreeing with me.. It's pretty dumb to ride the wrong line over and over.. particularly when you've rode the correct line for the first half of the race and are winning.

 

So you essentially find it 'odd' that I was critical of Wolves riders riding the wrong line even though you state that if a rider rode the right line you'd never see an overtake... Each to their own!

 

Perhaps if you were at the meeting looking directly down the track from turn 1 and seeing the same mistake over and over you might have a different view, as I did, the Wolves fans I was standing with and even the Poole fans in that location too.

 

Also, you might want to have a chat with some of the Wolves riders, who admitted they had messed up when I spoke to them, I think they would know best!

 

Anyway, who cares, the job was done tonight.

 

Bring on the FInal!

Edited September 29, 2016 by BWitcher

[Pinny]

 

Although you are wrong in this assertion, you're basically agreeing with me.. It's pretty dumb to ride the wrong line over and over.. particularly when you've rode the correct line for the first half of the race and are winning.

 

So you essentially find it 'odd' that I was critical of Wolves riders riding the wrong line even though you state that if a rider rode the right line you'd never see an overtake... Each to their own!

 

Perhaps if you were at the meeting looking directly down the track from turn 1 and seeing the same mistake over and over you might have a different view, as I did, the Wolves fans I was standing with and even the Poole fans in that location too.

What I am saying is you are singling out Wolves riders as making mistakes and riding the wrong lines gifting Poole points where as this happens in nearly every meeting.

 

They were riding the wrong lines on an away track where the riders knew the right lines, its called home advantage.

[BWitcher]

What I am saying is you are singling out Wolves riders as making mistakes and riding the wrong lines gifting Poole points where as this happens in nearly every meeting.

 

They were riding the wrong lines on an away track where the riders knew the right lines, its called home advantage.

 

No it isn't called home advantage at all.

 

You're showing your complete ignorance here.

 

The line at Poole pretty much all year long has been around the outside, particularly on turns 1 and 2. Wolves knew this and early on were getting out wide and using it to their advantage. The track however began to change and the first evidence of that was when Lindback stormed inside Woffinden. He then stormed inside Thorssell before Thorssell got him back on bends 3 and 4. Entering the last lap, as Lindback had passed him on the inside of turn 1 the previous lap, Thorsselll clamped it right on the white line entering the corner blocking Lindback. Race won. That is LEARNING.

 

Following that race numerous times Wolves riders got in front and didn't learn from that race, or each successive race. When you are continually passed entering a corner, in the same spot,, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to work out you need to block that line. The rider behind you then has to find another way to pass, as Newman did in Heat 12, but he had to work damn hard for it.

 

Just watch Heat 15, Lindgren gates and pins it on the inside into turn 1 on the first two laps and Holder is kept at bay with ease. Into lap three, he suddenly decides to enter turn 1 way out wide, meaning Holder could just ride by up the inside. That's dumb racing and easily prevented... if a fan has sussed the correct line then a rider, or more particularly the team manager should and pass that information on to his riders.

 

Anyway, that's the last I will say on the subject, you've already shown me to be correct with your earlier admission that if you ride the right line you will win most of the time.. hence it's a bit dumb to ride the wrong one... continuously.

[Pinny]

 

No it isn't called home advantage at all.

 

You're showing your complete ignorance here.

 

The line at Poole pretty much all year long has been around the outside, particularly on turns 1 and 2. Wolves knew this and early on were getting out wide and using it to their advantage. The track however began to change and the first evidence of that was when Lindback stormed inside Woffinden. He then stormed inside Thorssell before Thorssell got him back on bends 3 and 4. Entering the last lap, as Lindback had passed him on the inside of turn 1 the previous lap, Thorsselll clamped it right on the white line entering the corner blocking Lindback. Race won. That is LEARNING.

 

Following that race numerous times Wolves riders got in front and didn't learn from that race, or each successive race. When you are continually passed entering a corner, in the same spot,, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to work out you need to block that line. The rider behind you then has to find another way to pass, as Newman did in Heat 12, but he had to work damn hard for it.

 

Just watch Heat 15, Lindgren gates and pins it on the inside into turn 1 on the first two laps and Holder is kept at bay with ease. Into lap three, he suddenly decides to enter turn 1 way out wide, meaning Holder could just ride by up the inside. That's dumb racing and easily prevented... if a fan has sussed the correct line then a rider, or more particularly the team manager should and pass that information on to his riders.

 

Anyway, that's the last I will say on the subject, you've already shown me to be correct with your earlier admission that if you ride the right line you will win most of the time.. hence it's a bit dumb to ride the wrong one... continuously.

As usual you try talking your way out of being wrong. You have on more than one occasion stated Wolves riders rode the wrong line gifting Poole points. Its what happens when you ride the wrong line, it happens in every meeting. No need to constantly pick up on it.

[Bagpuss]

I can see where BW is coming from here, saw Lynn do exactly the same thing at Scunny in 2010. Make exactly the same mistakes race after race and get passed on the same parts of the track. Have seen Lynn do it at Peterborough too. When you pay good money to travel to watch your team away and they don't seem to notice what's happening on the track it's incredibly frustrating. It does happen in every meeting but not normally all the way through, normally away riders will learn.

[Panthers89]

When do we call it an emergency...... Still no sign of Starman? Missing in action?

[Steve0]

When do we call it an emergency...... Still no sign of Starman? Missing in action?

I prefer it that way - probably booking flights for him and SS

[Blazeaway]

I miss him

 

Get down the rifle range and keep practising, you'll get him eventually.

[mj82]

The heat 15 decision was the right call by the ref. The pool riders messed themselves up. Holder clamping tungate down hard. Bad case of sour grapes down in Dorset.

[mdmc82]

 

Clearly Poole are rubbish at Monmorie when the home team prepare the track to their advantage as they should. Kurtz was barely able to complete a lap. What a rider.

Looking forward to seeing Kurtz in the GP ESP after the hype by some Poole fans 🙈

 

Max Fricke or Sam Masters should have been given it instead

[theblueboy]

When do we call it an emergency...... Still no sign of Starman? Missing in action?

Surely you know paper boys are up early and out delivering...

 

I wonder if he has ripped his blue and white tassels off his bike this morning?

 

I also suspect that the picture of Lindback, which was lovingly put in to his back wheel last week, has been ripped out in disgust.

 

As Starry is a betting man he'll appreciate this...

 

When will Starry return to the BSF?

 

10/11 Today

5/2 Friday

4/1 Saturday

100-1 To do a Shovlar (I hear Syria is nice this time of year)

[B.V 72]

Same problem as last year mate...

Lots of people interact with me. I just dont tell the likes of you...

Of coarse they do but i am sorry to tell you that the words said when you are taking the pennies off people for the star is not really the same as interacting with friends.

Edited September 29, 2016 by B.V 72

[LisaColette]

Looking forward to seeing Kurtz in the GP ESP after the hype by some Poole fans 🙈

 

Max Fricke or Sam Masters should have been given it instead

They did what we did British/Aussie champ as wildcard. Don't see anything wrong with that and might get more Aussies wanting to compete in the Aussie champs in the winter.

[Pirate Baz]

Congratulations Wolves and I think it will be a cracking final.

In truth the Pirates have not quite been there all season. Some good performances but also some poor ones.

The best two teams throughout the season (imo) will be contesting the final. I really can't split them, but maybe marginally think Wolves as the National Stadium is still not really an advantage to the home team. Yes I saw last nights result but Wolves will be a different proposition.