BWitcher Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Yes but your missing the point.The point is when was that full season. Lets talk about common sense for a minute. Tomasz Gollob was complained about by many fans when the World No 2 was given 7.50 average and rode a 9 + average back in a more difficult Elite League. Now I would have set Antonio's average at 7.50. His last average at Belle Vue was somewhere near the 5 mark. With your logic of Woffinden he should have been given that average. It doesn't matter if the rider has missed a year or 10 years and what his average was. A rider should be assessed if they have missed any season. Are you telling me that Lindback should have been given a higher average than Woffinden just because he has missed 10 years and Woffinden has missed one regardless of World Rankings, CMAs abroad etc. Personally that is a biased opinion. Regardless of all this, I find it like this league is being used. The biased poster on this thread is yourself who advocates complicating situations and re-writing rules that have been perfectly fine for decades. It's little wonder you support the antics Ford gets up to. Woffinden's average was 7.03. That is it. Nothing else to discuss. It was achieved in the same league under pretty much the same heat format as now over a full season. A bona fide representation. Throughout the history of the sport riders have had good years and bad years and teams look to take advantage of that... Poole in particular! It's not even a debate to be honest, unless of course you are suggesting that Woffinden spent the entire 2014 season lowering his average so he could return 18 months later for the playoffs?? I wonder how many pages this thread will go into if Poole have booked Bomber for Bjarne??!! It wouldn't surprise me, I stated on facebook that Wolves had better have booked him immediately or that is exactly what would happen. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 i didn't say it was assessed. His last real average was attained while at Belle Vue, if the averages had been worked out then as they are now then it would be much lower, he did 11 meetings so it should be assessed on that. No he shouldnt! If a rider is going to be reassessed it should be based on here and now, not something they did 9 years ago. You think it's fine that they should base an assessed average from 9 years ago yet you're moaning about Tai's average he achieved 2 years ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 I wonder how many pages this thread will go into if Poole have booked Bomber for Bjarne??!! Now that would be the ultimate p!sstake. Replacing someone who has been a reserve for the last month and unlikely to score (m)any points in the no 5 position with a track specialist. Meltdown is a word that springs to mind! Two other words would be CHEATING SCUMBAGS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) You mean he came in on his 2014 REAL average. And YES he was that poor in 2014 in the EL, anyone claiming it is false clearly has selective memory issues. Riders SHOULD come in on their real averages if they have ridden here before. You either use riders true averages (Lindback was 7.94) like wolves did with Tai or you use their average from meetings ridden that they failed to complete enough matches for a new one like Wolves did with Piotr in 2014. Both can't be right so which is your preference FB? You defeated yourself with your own argument there Steve. Using that theory Lindback should be lower than 7. Edited September 27, 2016 by grachan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Any team news yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 It's blatant short sightedness by the promoters to allow a system where by a rider on an inflated average from riding at reserve or second string can be replaced by a rider on a falsely low average from riding as a heat leader. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 His last real average was attained while at Belle Vue, if the averages had been worked out then as they are now then it would be much lower, he did 11 meetings so it should be assessed on that. which would make Tai's 2014 average even more credible. You defeated yourself with your own argument there Steve. Using that theory Lindback should be lower than 7. I only want a fair and credible assessment when it comes to regrading. IF Lindback had come back on his lower average it would have made more sense than the ridiculous 7 point figure. We either regrade EVERYONE fairly so that all clubs get fair treatment or we carry on making up rules to suit. IMHO anyone coming back to British speedway or doesn't have a recent average should be an 8, that would include Woffy. Some Poole fans are somehow using Tai's real average as a credible argument in defence of this 7 point assessment when let's face it if Antonio came back on his 6 something average gained at belle Vue they would be in no position to judge. My argument is with those making these ridiculous rulings and not any one club or rider. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandking072 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Any team news yet? Yes. In a clever piece of team manipulation, Hancock comes in at reserve for Clegg. Sorry, I mean Harris for Thorssell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregoryM Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Now that would be the ultimate p!sstake. Replacing someone who has been a reserve for the last month and unlikely to score (m)any points in the no 5 position with a track specialist. Meltdown is a word that springs to mind! And if it happens to be Belle Vue v Poole in the Grand Final then the same will happen at the NSS with Tungate I presume? I've been reading a thread on the Belle Vue Fans Forum about the lack of coverage the Aces (and Colts) get in the Manchester Evening News. Perhaps, with such as the above going on; the chosen restaging date of our Elite League Play-Off semi-finals is the same night at the Swedish Play-Off Final meaning rides are missing; only twice in 14 Elite League matches at the NSS was there a full declared Belle Vue 1-7 v a full Opponents declared 1-7 and that one of the Aces heat leaders will have actually raced only 7 out of 15 home matches after tomorrow night, the folks who run the MEN and decide what to include in their newspaper have concluded speedway is just too much of a mickey-mouse sport to be taken seriously? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countershaftcounter Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 And if it happens to be Belle Vue v Poole in the Grand Final then the same will happen at the NSS with Tungate I presume? I've been reading a thread on the Belle Vue Fans Forum about the lack of coverage the Aces (and Colts) get in the Manchester Evening News. Perhaps, with such as the above going on; the chosen restaging date of our Elite League Play-Off semi-finals is the same night at the Swedish Play-Off Final meaning rides are missing; only twice in 14 Elite League matches at the NSS was there a full declared Belle Vue 1-7 v a full Opponents declared 1-7 and that one of the Aces heat leaders will have actually raced only 7 out of 15 home matches after tomorrow night, the folks who run the MEN and decide what to include in their newspaper have concluded speedway is just too much of a mickey-mouse sport to be taken seriously? This thread is a perfect example of why the sport isn't taken seriously. It's not the overcomplicated rules, (all sports have them), it's the anorak wearing nerd like obsession of grown men bitching over decimal points of averages. No wonder we can't attract new young fans, it's embarrassing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 This thread is a perfect example of why the sport isn't taken seriously. It's not the overcomplicated rules, (all sports have them), it's the anorak wearing nerd like obsession of grown men bitching over decimal points of averages. No wonder we can't attract new young fans, it's embarrassing. Speedway’s issues with attracting new fans are nothing to do with this forum, in the grand scheme of things no one cares what is said on here because the number of users is so low. The idea that bickering and bitching is exclusive to this forum is also a bit daft, that’s generally how the internet functions – so no, the “it’s all the geeks fault” line won’t put a stop to people commenting on all the nonsense of the last few days… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 But still not as daft as the World Champion coming in on a 7.03 average. A rider can vastly improve in two years so all averages should be assessed for riders who have missed one season. You can't have it both ways. Wolves fans had to suffer during the season in which Woffinden attained that average. Now they get at least some benefit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Tungate a cert to ride at BV if Poole beat Wolves.Could see this coming ages ago.Its all about winning apparently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Tungate a cert to ride at BV if Poole beat Wolves.Could see this coming ages ago.Its all about winning apparently. whats wrong with that? getting a guest for a injured rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Tungate a cert to ride at BV if Poole beat Wolves.Could see this coming ages ago.Its all about winning apparently. Yeh of course you could. Same as the dim wits on here could see Bjarne ending up with ligament damage.. Now that would be the ultimate p!sstake. Replacing someone who has been a reserve for the last month and unlikely to score (m)any points in the no 5 position with a track specialist. Meltdown is a word that springs to mind! Two other words would be CHEATING SCUMBAGS! Blame the system mr boring, not the rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Yeh of course you could. Same as the dim wits on here could see Bjarne ending up with ligament damage.. you mean convenient injury, Bjarne would never have ridden last night would of just been a different excuse used 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 you mean convenient injury, Bjarne would never have ridden last night would of just been a different excuse used Convienient, you are such a its untrue. Bjarne has a GENUINE injury, but clearly you wouldn't know the difference, would you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwayfun Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 I don't suppose any of the poole haters have seen his knee injury - looks very sore and swollen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Yeh of course you could. Same as the dim wits on here could see Bjarne ending up with ligament damage.. The dimwits who were 100% correct that Pedersen would one way or another not be riding in the 2nd leg? That doesn't make them dim you clown. That makes them correct. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 The dimwits who were 100% correct that Pedersen would one way or another not be riding in the 2nd leg? That doesn't make them dim you clown. That makes them correct. Have you seen the injury, ? Clearly not. Another one of the dim wits, arn't you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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