Wolverhampton V Poole: El Play-off Semi-final 2nd Leg

[Joe Beevers]

You can't have it both ways. Wolves fans had to suffer during the season in which Woffinden attained that average. Now they get at least some benefit.

I am not saying you can't have it both ways.

 

I am simply saying in general from a common sense outlook is that you cannot say a World Champion deserves a lower average than a rider who is currently ranked 8th in the standings whose last average was a 5 for Belle Vue added to the fact he hasn't ridden on this shale in 10 years and people are harping on him being on a low average.

 

Scenario - Jason Doyles rise has been quickly meteoric. If he had left the E.L for two years before he got to be a top rider on his 5.50 average he had attained and then Poole had signed him on that average whilst he was now worthy of 9+ rider, would you not think that was crazy.

 

That's why all averages need to be assessed if a rider leaves the country for a season or more.

[phillipsr]

Convienient, you are such a its untrue. Bjarne has a GENUINE injury, but clearly you wouldn't know the difference, would you..

 

Maybe but that's not what I said is it? I said it was convenient as he would never have ridden anyway

[BWitcher]

Have you seen the injury, ? Clearly not. Another one of the dim wits, arn't you..

 

I've seen a photo, same as you.

 

I can take a photo of my legs with one slightly raised and the right knee looks much bigger. Doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

 

So, no I haven't seen the 'injury' and neither have you.

[foreverblue]

 

I've seen a photo, same as you.

 

I can take a photo of my legs with one slightly raised and the right knee looks much bigger. Doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

 

So, no I haven't seen the 'injury' and neither have you.

So you don't believe photographic evidence!! I bet you even question whether they are his legs!

[Fourentee]

So you don't believe photographic evidence!! I bet you even question whether they are his legs!

 

Gemini will sort that out for you.

I am not saying you can't have it both ways.

 

I am simply saying in general from a common sense outlook is that you cannot say a World Champion deserves a lower average than a rider who is currently ranked 8th in the standings whose last average was a 5 for Belle Vue added to the fact he hasn't ridden on this shale in 10 years and people are harping on him being on a low average.

 

Scenario - Jason Doyles rise has been quickly meteoric. If he had left the E.L for two years before he got to be a top rider on his 5.50 average he had attained and then Poole had signed him on that average whilst he was now worthy of 9+ rider, would you not think that was crazy.

 

That's why all averages need to be assessed if a rider leaves the country for a season or more.

 

I'm not one of the people harping. The reason Woffinden has a lower average is because the last time he rode he didn't do as well as he should.

As for Doyle, if that hypothetical scenario had taken place -- and we're ignoring the fact that riding here may well be what helped him develop so well anyway -- and Poole had signed him on a bargain figure, I wouldn't call it crazy. I'd call it clever.

[BurntFaceMan]

I am not saying you can't have it both ways.

 

I am simply saying in general from a common sense outlook is that you cannot say a World Champion deserves a lower average than a rider who is currently ranked 8th in the standings whose last average was a 5 for Belle Vue added to the fact he hasn't ridden on this shale in 10 years and people are harping on him being on a low average.

 

Scenario - Jason Doyles rise has been quickly meteoric. If he had left the E.L for two years before he got to be a top rider on his 5.50 average he had attained and then Poole had signed him on that average whilst he was now worthy of 9+ rider, would you not think that was crazy.

 

That's why all averages need to be assessed if a rider leaves the country for a season or more.

 

Spot on!

[B.V 72]

whats wrong with that? getting a guest for a injured rider.

I suppose you are not a believer in fair play then.

 

I said fair play not rules as we all know rules can be b/s made up by idiots.

 

Gemini will sort that out for you.

 

I'm not one of the people harping. The reason Woffinden has a lower average is because the last time he rode he didn't do as well as he should.

As for Doyle, if that hypothetical scenario had taken place -- and we're ignoring the fact that riding here may well be what helped him develop so well anyway -- and Poole had signed him on a bargain figure, I wouldn't call it crazy. I'd call it clever.

What would you call it if he had signed for someone else.

[damosuzuki]

damosuzuki, on 21 Sept 2016 - 11:13 PM, said:

In a bizarre turn of events Bjarne has picked up Joe Jacob's stomach bug and is OUT for the second leg. Matt gutted.

 

There you go, though. And I wasn't the only one who though Pedersen would be out.

[colin wood]

We were all betting Tungate would ride in the play off final before Pederson got his rather unfortunate injury.

[foreverblue]

I suppose you are not a believer in fair play then.

 

I said fair play not rules as we all know rules can be b/s made up by idiots.

What would you call it if he had signed for someone else.

Whats unfair about getting a guest for a injured rider? I was replying about Bjarne being injured.

[Countershaftcounter]

what the whiny bitchers on here fail to grasp is that if riders don't ride they don't get paid.

 

 

Then they come back with the "ahhh but MF paid them not to" as if there's millions of pounds floating around this sport

[marko]

yeah buts its like the boy who cried Wolf, after the second time no one believed it was true and its the same with everything Poole, even if something is genuine most people will believe it is not because of what has gone on before, the whole sport is potentially corrupt and so open to abuse, probably why no promoters even complain is because they know its their own fault for creating a rule book with more holes in it than a sieve and they secretly all desire to exploit that fact, just that some are more clever than others, its not cheating, but it is manipulation.

[Steve0]

 

I've seen a photo, same as you.

 

I can take a photo of my legs with one slightly raised and the right knee looks much bigger. Doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

 

So, no I haven't seen the 'injury' and neither have you.

I have to say that I agree with you - that picture doesn't show much at all (except hairy legs)

[Fourentee]

 

What would you call it if he had signed for someone else.

 

An unusual and surprising miss on the part of Matt Ford.

[B.V 72]

Whats unfair about getting a guest for a injured rider? I was replying about Bjarne being injured.

I was refering to Bjarne.

So what is unfair about it. Bjarne aquired his 6.80 point average in the reserve birth riding in protected heats against reserves and 2nd strings.Tungate aquired his average riding against heat leaders so his average was earned against better riders so making him a better rider than Bjarne at this time.On top of that Tungate has ridden at Belle vue 3 times and his lowest score was 12.If there are any fans on this forum that disagrees that this unfair change would not make Poole much much stronger i will show my ?

[BurntFaceMan]

I was refering to Bjarne.

So what is unfair about it. Bjarne aquired his 6.80 point average in the reserve birth riding in protected heats against reserves and 2nd strings.Tungate aquired his average riding against heat leaders so his average was earned against better riders so making him a better rider than Bjarne at this time.On top of that Tungate has ridden at Belle vue 3 times and his lowest score was 12.If there are any fans on this forum that disagrees that this unfair change would not make Poole much much stronger i will show my ?

 

So? That's how the league works with these rules. That's why we had a load of reserves spending mid season in top 5 positions. It's been that way all season and every team have had their ups and their downs. Stupid league format and obvious this was going to be outcome.

[B.V 72]

 

An unusual and surprising miss on the part of Matt Ford.

Fair play.

[dump that clutch]

I have to say that I agree with you - that picture doesn't show much at all (except hairy legs)

does Starman have hairy legs..??

[B.V 72]

 

So? That's how the league works with these rules. That's why we had a load of reserves spending mid season in top 5 positions. It's been that way all season and every team have had their ups and their downs. Stupid league format and obvious this was going to be outcome.

So whichever way you look at it after a full season of teams battling away there is a good chance that the league champions only won it because the rules allowed them to use a heatleader(track specialist) instead of a reserve. Fair play my bottom.

[foreverblue]

I was refering to Bjarne.

So what is unfair about it. Bjarne aquired his 6.80 point average in the reserve birth riding in protected heats against reserves and 2nd strings.Tungate aquired his average riding against heat leaders so his average was earned against better riders so making him a better rider than Bjarne at this time.On top of that Tungate has ridden at Belle vue 3 times and his lowest score was 12.If there are any fans on this forum that disagrees that this unfair change would not make Poole much much stronger i will show my ?

Well those are the rules, at least Ellis and Newman are back at reserve where they should be, ridiculous decision to let EDR riders into the main body of the team.

So whichever way you look at it after a full season of teams battling away there is a good chance that the league champions only won it because the rules allowed them to use a heatleader(track specialist) instead of a reserve. Fair play my bottom.

Bjarne should never have been allowed to ride at reserve.