OdsalBoy Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 I think its safe to say we will see Josh Bates, Kyle Howarth & Jack Parkinson-Blackburn in the side next season, which pleases me, but i sure as hell would love to see Jack Holder added too! He loves riding Owlerton and has shown he can do it, he would be a rider that would definitely increase his average with Sheffield. Sorry - would also love to see Berge back with us too, but unsure if he and Holder etc would all fit within the limit Failing all this give Derrol Keats a call, would love to see those "Kiss My" kevlars flying round Owlerton again ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingIvan Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 ..How many Riders are going to want to double up this year ? Whats that around 70 meetings a season, tough going. Thought I read somewhere that Dimi wanted to ride the Top league (lol ) in 2017. ..Would like to see Jack Holder at Sheffield and bring back Skidmore.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Doubling up riders are going to cause a real fixture headache IMO .More guests than ever I fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Lower points limits and more guests will just lead to picking and chosing meetings for me, depending on the track improving, or it could be no meetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ29 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) The AGM definitely looks to have improved the prospects of the Elite (Premiership?) League. I'm sure Sky will be happy. However, I can't say the same for the former Premier League.I don't understand how dropping the points limit to 40 will improve the product. Edited November 6, 2016 by PJ29 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILKO Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Gonna cost loads for the riders to initially buy 2/3 gerhard engines brand new just to start the season and then who will buy their previous GM's off them if everyone needs gerhards? I can see positives in the idea of cutting servicing costs but it will cost more to buy new engines and not be able to offload their old stock This is just the same as in the past. JAP to JAWA 2 valve JAWA to 4 valve WESLAKE & JAWA Upright to Laydown 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 The AGM definitely looks to have improved the prospects of the Elite (Premiership?) League. I'm sure Sky will be happy. However, I can't say the same for the former Premier League.I don't understand how dropping the points limit to 40 will improve the product. With the expected exodus of some big names from the EL, and the current shortage of British riders hence the guests problem, the Premier League needs to employ lower order riders to improve the situation, as well as reduce costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ29 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) With the expected exodus of some big names from the EL, and the current shortage of British riders hence the guests problem, the Premier League needs to employ lower order riders to improve the situation, as well as reduce costs. The problem is that employing lower order riders is not going to improve crowds.Quite the opposite.And at next year's AGM they'll be looking to reduce costs again because crowd levels will have dropped further. Edited November 6, 2016 by PJ29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 With the expected exodus of some big names from the EL, and the current shortage of British riders hence the guests problem, the Premier League needs to employ lower order riders to improve the situation, as well as reduce costs. Will only work if the admission charges go down as well the product has got weaker and weaker and crowds have got lower and lower year on year you wont stop this by weakening it even more, especially if that comes with more guests, if we are short of riders then why didnt they go for 6 man teams, 19 less double up riders required 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) The AGM definitely looks to have improved the prospects of the Elite (Premiership?) League. I'm sure Sky will be happy. However, I can't say the same for the former Premier League.I don't understand how dropping the points limit to 40 will improve the product. Its all 'relative' though. If two number one's face each other and they each have a 12 point average at the start of the season and lets say its the first match of the new season, if they ride against each other they take points off each other so they each now have a 6 point average. The standard hasn't gone down. At the same time, I know exactly what you mean as its what they used to call "de-strengthening". Think the most severe case of "de-strengthening" was in about 1997 season. The all-one-league had happened in 1995, and previous Div 2 riders went from typically being about 8 point ave to about 6.0-6.5 ave, but after two season (1995, and 1996) of all-one-league (Premier) the prev Div 1 teams broke away to form the Elite league, it left the remaining mainly ex-Div 2 teams to re-configure their team averages etc, the "de-strengthening" was so severe that previous 8 point riders (1994 season) by the end of the 1997 season their actual averages had risen to become near 10 point average, e.g. a certain K.McKinna went from an 8 point rider to 6.31 in the all-in-one league, to then becoming a near 10 point rider (9.73) by the end of the 1997 season - the last time McKinna had that kind of average was 1989 and since then had been on a steady decline. Similarly, Paul Bentley had a 9 point average in 1994, then a 6 point ave in 1995 and 1996, and back up to around 9 1997/98 and a near 10-point average in 1999. As I recall, 1997 saw previous third heat leaders become No.1's, and the second strings seemed to be quite weak. But after a few seasons it all levelled out again and into the 2000's the second tier strengthened up again. Ok, I shot down my own opening point, haha. Edited November 6, 2016 by justere2cgoodspeedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 The AGM definitely looks to have improved the prospects of the Elite (Premiership?) League. I'm sure Sky will be happy. However, I can't say the same for the former Premier League.I don't understand how dropping the points limit to 40 will improve the product. Premiership effectively building to 36.5 in old money Championship if using two 2 pointers building to 42 in old money Premiership much weaker than old elite Championship pretty much on a par with old premier - so long as you give Brit newcomers a chance. Id say that means the old premier teams have done very well to not only protect their product but also take on board the responsibility of providing progression from the NL (as shouldve be the case rather than the EL draft IMO) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graz gp Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 Whoever we have riding for the Tigers next season the racing needs to be a lot better than the last two seasons. The track was way to slick. It was gate and go hardly any passing boring. Steady and co used to belt around the outside in the dirt, great to watch. Howarth is a big pal with Grajczonek, he will be looking to double up so could he be our new number one. Hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Brownell Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 Agree about track it is way too slick now even after a couple races were has the dirt line gone for the brave riders to use to pass people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 Premiership effectively building to 36.5 in old money Championship if using two 2 pointers building to 42 in old money Who is a two pointer, is it just riders with an average who are two pointers or all British newcomers? if newcomers come in on a 3, and riders with one years experience could be a 2, isn't that the wrong way round, shouldn't the riders with little or no experience be on a 2, and the more experienced ones be on a 3? And who would go with two, two pointers so that can build to 42, teams will go with one two pointer at most, or will go with a three pointer, so build to 40. So it is a reduction in standards 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cue Ball Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 According to the Sheffield Facebook page, they are putting the finishing touches to our first signing and will be announcing soon. Would guess JPB given it is fairly obvious he will be joining us and should be a straightforward deal to be done (you would think) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ29 Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 I think that everyone will agree that the track needs improvement.It was pass poor last season.😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 All newcomers will be on 2 points is the info I have. If thats wrong then The Third Man has a valid point re reducing the limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ren Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 All newcomers will be on 2 points is the info I have. If thats wrong then The Third Man has a valid point re reducing the limit. I think there is so much confusion over this rule at the moment. Chris Louis thinks all newcomers will be on 2 point averages next season. But the way the press release read from the BSPA it was only riders like Josh Bailey, Danny Phillips, Nathan Greaves who would come in on an average of under 3 and all other newcomers would be a 3 having had no previous PL experience. So typical speedway really the rules seem as clear as mud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 Sheffield Speedway @TigersSpeedway 10m10 minutes ago UPDATE | Deal done. New signing to be announced in the morning - we'll tweet first thing when you're enjoying your Corn Flakes* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cue Ball Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 Schlein has said that he has done a deal in the U.K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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