Anyone Else Considering Walking Away From Speedway?

[solrac]

In answer to the question posed - No.

[Bagpuss]

Yep there should be no tacticals allowed in the playoffs, 100% not!

Absolutely, 2006 taught us that tactical rides in two legged ties just aren't fair.

[orion]

You seem to eb arguing against both. ,tactical' rulers?

Yea both are stupid and mickey mouse

[ray c]

Absolutely, 2006 taught us that tactical rides in two legged ties just aren't fair.

quite agree if you have the first leg at home and win by ten you will still have the chance of double points away from home let's hope they scrap it all together at agm we hold our breath

[E I Addio]

When I started going as a schoolboy there were lots of old timers who were were always moaning yhat the sport wasn't as good as when they started going, years earlier. I didn't know what they were moaning about because I loved it, and I thought they were just old buffers who wanted to turn the clock back to when they were young.

Now my love for the sport has cooled off because like the generations before me my outlook has changed as I have got older. I still go but it's not like the old days at 'Ackney. If I started trying to chat up 14 or 15 year old girls at my age like, I did in those days I'd get locked up (and divorced probably).

 

The point is, the world moves on, and nothing is quite so exciting as you get older. Unfortunately a lot on this forum want the old days back, but in my old days there were a lot of old moaners who wanted their old days back. Sometimes we have to accept its ourselves that change, not just the sport.

Edited September 20, 2016 by E I Addio

[solrac]

When I started going as a schoolboy there were lots of old timers who were were always moaning yhat the sport wasn't as good as when they started going, years earlier. I didn't know what they were moaning about because I loved it, and I thought they were just old buffers who wanted to turn the clock back to when they were young.

Now my love for the sport has cooled off because like the generations before me my outlook has changed as I have got older. I still go but it's not like the old days at 'Ackney. If I started trying to chat up 14 or 15 year old girls at my age like, I did in those days I'd get locked up (and divorced probably).

 

The point is, the world moves on, and nothing is quite so exciting as you get older. Unfortunately a lot on this forum want the old days back, but in my old days there were a lot of old moaners who wanted their old days back. Sometimes we have to accept its ourselves that change, not just the sport.

Well said, life moves on.

[Gemini]

SCB hasnt gone to speedway regulary for years now, he's openly admitted that.

 

 

Yes, we know that. The point is why and the answer is 2010/11, plus the Kildemand affair was the last straw.

They were telling you why SCB hasn't been for a few years.

Can you be on hand to be Starman's translator please so he understands what people are saying?

 

Peter Kildermand (Textgate) please remind me?

What was this about?

I'm sure SCB knows all the details and will tell you when he reads this. Unfortunately I can't remember exactly what happened now except that it involved Poole and Matt Ford of course.

 

Let's not open that can of worms again!!

Yes, lets.

[Sidney the robin]

When I started going as a schoolboy there were lots of old timers who were were always moaning yhat the sport wasn't as good as when they started going, years earlier. I didn't know what they were moaning about because I loved it, and I thought they were just old buffers who wanted to turn the clock back to when they were young.

Now my love for the sport has cooled off because like the generations before me my outlook has changed as I have got older. I still go but it's not like the old days at 'Ackney. If I started trying to chat up 14 or 15 year old girls at my age like, I did in those days I'd get locked up (and divorced probably).

The point is, the world moves on, and nothing is quite so exciting as you get older. Unfortunately a lot on this forum want the old days back, but in my old days there were a lot of old moaners who wanted their old days back. Sometimes we have to accept its ourselves that change, not just the sport.

Yes you are totally right but some of the people who moan there take is has the sport Improved and got BETTER since the good old days.?

[B.V 72]

If British speedway gets a grip of its self and,

Reverts back to a format where you get true averages for all riders(for fair team building purposes instead of heat leader lists etc).

Spend time on a fixture list that spreads the meetings evenly over a season.

Spend time and effort on the fixture list taking note of where team members have meeting clashes and move meetings around to avoid as may clashes as possible.

Really make and effort to run a meeting to a set time scale no more boring long drawn out meetings.

Have a system for converting riders averages and set this in stone no changing it every year.

Set a cut off date for team changes where the change will help teams to reach the play offs and not at a date when the change will just make them stronger having reached the play offs.

Make the rules more simple and enforce that all clubs stick to them no manipulations will be tollerated.

All these changes should not be that hard to achieve and by doing this covers most of the problems that people have with the sport.

What would we moan about then.

[SCB]

Prove that can you ?

 

Pretty sure SCB for one said he stopped attending after the Kildemand "text-gate"

A number of other posters have cited the above reasons as driving them away from the sport

 

From about '98 to 2003 and moving to uni I did ever single Newport home meeting bar about 3 or 4, then when I moved to uni I start going to Coventry on a Thursday/Friday and Newport on a Sunday during term time and Newport in the summer. I would also go to 5 or 6 Newport away meetings each year. By about 2006 I was going to almost all Newport and Coventry home meetings all season plus a dozen or so away meetings (not bad for someone who was a student so was basically spending ever single penny I had after bills on nothing but speedway). 2007 I attended every single Bees meeting, 90% of Newport home meetings and what must have been 15-20 meetings at other tracks as neutrals. By 2008 I'd started going less and less to Newport but more and more neutral meetings. I'd often finish work at 5pm and just decide to head to Wolves, Birmingham or Peterborough with zero planning. 2009 and 2010 I did pretty similar, all Bees meetings and lots of neutral meetings. Then the winter of 2010 happened and I not fed up in the winter but March 15th, day 1 of the season I was at Birmingham vs Stoke - I was watching Stoke FFS, away from home! In a challenge meeting! That year I was only really doing home meetings though, too many other EL promoters had conspired to kill off my club, like hell were they getting my money. I went to Lynn for Emil debut and Birmingham to see Emil.

 

Then August 2011, we had the Kildemand text-gate farce. We all know what went on there. That was it for me. I stopped going pretty much completely. Didn't do another meeting that season. By 2012 I think Cardiff was my first meeting and I got the bug back and did about 5 meetings the following week. 2013, 14,15 and 16 have seen me go to more and more meetings but I've still only been to about a dozen this year.

 

So yes, I stopped going because of the laise-faire attitude to rules, the corruption and the fiddling. And my dad whos been a fan since a young boy, named his first son after Shawn Moran and used to drag his young family a minimum or 50 miles (Swindon being the closed track 50 miles away) to a meeting every week no longer goes any more either. It's Cardiff every season for him, why? Hates the TR and hates the rules being abused. Im willing to accept if there was not so much on TV we'd probably go more often but it's not TV coverage that has stopped us going in the first place. In fact I seem to have been to a high % of Sky meetings since I stopped going every week.

 

As I said above, shame really as 4 riders doing 4 laps is bloody brilliant.

[Gemini]

Peter Kildermand (Textgate) please remind me?

What was this about?

Here you go Shale Searcher....copied from another topic as the person who did it was on his phone so couldn't. Get your popcorn and fizzy drink, sit and relax and digest this.

SCB, on 10 Apr 2016 - 1:54 PM, said:

Coventry winning the EL play-offs at Poole in 2010 is probably a good place to start. That night Poole turned the hot water off in the showers, refused to give Coventry any champagne and didn't use the fireworks. So obviously Matt was a little upset.But I doubt it was just about losing that night. It goes back a little more than that though. Coventry had sparingly used Shamek Pawlicki that season, he signed in April but only rode 11 meetings in a season 12 were needed to get an average. Yes some were because he was in U21s and GP qualis but some where very dodgy absences, certainly in August and September as it meant he'd stay in reserve. That upset a few, including Poole but also Swindon as that was one of the tracks Coventry went to without him.

 

The thing is, that season you could use your number 8 (Aaron Summers in Coventrys case) for any rider at any time so Coventry broke no rules. It was just tactics. As a result the BSPa changed the rules so Pawlicki got an average that winter, the rule for averages changed from 12 to 8 but was also retrospective. Every other time the rules on averages change at an AGM it's never been retrospective before (or since - eg rolling averages changed form 28 to 20 meetings but not until the first set of averages). So that upset Coventry.

 

Coventry had also signed Kenni Larsen. The conversion had always been 0.5 but they changed it to 0.6 sighting the case of Holder, Ward and Woffy who 0.6 would have been closer to reality. Which two clubs campaigned most for it? Wolves and Poole! Again, it upset Coventry and at that point dragged Peterborough into it as Sundstroms average went up too.

 

Coventry/Poole bad feeling had been brewing for a while. It was Coventry who accused Poole of cheating in 2009 to get averages down and make changes. Everyone knows they did it, it couldn't be proven. Also throughout 2010 Allen Trump (then Cov promoter) had made many claims against Poole and slagged them off in the press. I said at the time it was a silly thing to do but antagonise Ford and he gets his mates to screw you over.

 

Coventry eventually backed down over walking out when the BSPA agreed that they wouldn't retro-change Pawlickis average but make him a 5 (rather than his original 4 or his attained 6.5).

 

Then in August that year Darcy Ward (Poole) and<cannot be named fore legal reasons> were arrested. At the same time Coventry re-declared their team in two stages. Ford on the BSPA MC accepted the first part (Kildemand and McGowan dropped for little Pawlicki) but didnt allow the second bit of Kildemand in for Josh Auty. That meant Coventry had Auty and Morris (who was unavailable for reasons Matt Ford knew all about) sharing a place. Ford knew Morris was not available so he couldn't possibly ride and that Auty knowing he'd been dropped would tell them to get stuffed (plus stood litle chance of getting there when Coventry only found out at 5.30) meaning Coventry had to go into a meeting with 6 riders. At the same time, Ford text Kildemand and told him Coventry had dropped him (technically true, but only for a few seconds) and asking if he wanted to sign for Poole so Kildemand agreed to sign for Poole thinking he'd been dropped. Ford rather than re-declaring the second Coventry re-declarion redeclared the Poole team with Kildemand in.

 

I've probably missed something out, it was 5 years ago now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 21, 2016 by Gemini

[SCB]

Peter Kildermand (Textgate) please remind me?

What was this about?

Coventry re-declared twice in a short space of time. Between the two re-declarations Poole/Ford contacted Kildemand by text to "sign" him, lying that Coventry had dropped him when they were always re-introducing him. Coventry had to use 5 riders in a meeting vs BV (already using R/R) as although Kildemand was in attendance he wasn't allowed to ride, Auty lived too far away and Matt Ford knew out other double up rider was in a prison cell with Darcy Ward being questioned about an alleged sexual assault!

[Halifaxtiger]

 

 

So yes, I stopped going because of the laise-faire attitude to rules, the corruption and the fiddling.

 

As I said above, shame really as 4 riders doing 4 laps is bloody brilliant.

 

If anything stops me going (and I doubt it will) it will be that.

 

Tsunami once told me (and I apologise, because I have repeated this many times) that it is all about 4 blokes on bikes without brakes and that anything else is fluff.

 

As far as I am concerned, he's right because the last thing I was thinking about when watching a stunning heat 13 at Lakeside last week was what Matt Ford (or anyone else) is up to next.

[LisaColette]

 

If anything stops me going (and I doubt it will) it will be that.

 

Tsunami once told me (and I apologise, because I have repeated this many times) that it is all about 4 blokes on bikes without brakes and that anything else is fluff.

 

As far as I am concerned, he's right because the last thing I was thinking about when watching a stunning heat 13 at Lakeside last week was what Matt Ford (or anyone else) is up to next.

Trouble is promoters and the ones on SCB will do what they see fit anyway, and you can't do a damn thing about it apart from complain on here. So I feel the best thing to do is just enjoy the racing for what it is.

 

I know it is easy for me to say cos Poole seem to get the rub if the green a lot and if it was Coventry I'd be totally pee'd off!! But I don't think it would stop me attending/following speedway.

[heathen chemistry]

youve also got a former poole promoter (pairman) on the scb board someone that colin meredith doesnt have much time for

[SCB]

 

If anything stops me going (and I doubt it will) it will be that.

 

Tsunami once told me (and I apologise, because I have repeated this many times) that it is all about 4 blokes on bikes without brakes and that anything else is fluff.

 

As far as I am concerned, he's right because the last thing I was thinking about when watching a stunning heat 13 at Lakeside last week was what Matt Ford (or anyone else) is up to next.

While I agree, that once at a meeting it's generally all about the 4 riders doing 4 laps I had to sit and watch a 15 heat meeting with 3 heats only having 3 riders, why? Because of Matt Ford and worst of all Kildemand was stood 10 foot from me watching the meeting. Yet in 2003 when the BLC had a rule that no EL club could use R/R, Poole turned up at Newport and had a few riders in Poland (as it Sunday) and someone (Boyce maybe?) on holiday so only had 6 riders and got special dispensation to use R/R. I watched both of them meetings furious.

 

So while at a meeting I don't tend to be too bothered about the rules as the meeting is taking place, being cheated makes sport pointless. Otherwise get rid of rules, don't bother with league tables and titles and just call it an entertainment.

[g13webb]

 

 

So while at a meeting I don't tend to be too bothered about the rules as the meeting is taking place, being cheated makes sport pointless. Otherwise get rid of rules, don't bother with league tables and titles and just call it an entertainment.

 

My sentiments exactly......

[wealdstone]

Coventry re-declared twice in a short space of time. Between the two re-declarations Poole/Ford contacted Kildemand by text to "sign" him, lying that Coventry had dropped him when they were always re-introducing him. Coventry had to use 5 riders in a meeting vs BV (already using R/R) as although Kildemand was in attendance he wasn't allowed to ride, Auty lived too far away and Matt Ford knew out other double up rider was in a prison cell with Darcy Ward being questioned about an alleged sexual assault!

At the time Kiidemand was riding for a Premier League team ( can't remember which) But their promoter claimed it was all because Kildemand did not understand English

[heathen chemistry]

well if kildemand didnt understand english any agreement is null and void..I was there that night it ruined coventrys play off hopes. other clubs would of calked it off or dug a rut in the track to cause postponemnt

[TheReturn]

I can't remember exactly what happened now except that it involved Poole and Matt Ford of course.

When doesn't it!!