damosuzuki Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Don't believe tatuM would tolerate any chicanery regardless of his admiration of fords set up. I take my hat off to fords promotion but can't stick his carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Matt is Kelvin's mate - they are always saying on Sky clubs should aspire to the way Matt runs the Poole business. NB. As for the AGM, didn't the BSPA try to bring it forward to October so that clubs and riders knew the format before heading of to Oz or wherever - but then realised that their constitution didn't allow them to ratify any certain changes until November?! Not sure if they've amended their constitution now, but recent references in the Speedway Star still refer to the AGM being in November!! Having said that, the AGM should only be a 'rubber-stamping exercise' as the promoters always have a series of 'pre-AGM' gatherings to discuss all the likely major decisions! Of course they are, it doesn't mean they believe that to be true. They're hardly going to say Poole are only where they are by bending rules and influencing the hierarchy even if they believe it to be true. They're after attracting viewers not losing them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) Tatum thinking of quitting as our 'Motivational Coach'? The role model that was going to share his wisdom, expertise and knowledge in order for us to improve our performances away from home? Apart from 2 wins at a woefully weak Leicester, we didn't pick up A SINGLE AWAY POINT throughout the season. In fact, as per usual; on many occasions, we've been an embarrassment. Added to which reading between the lines pre-season, Tatum wanted Kim Nilsson dropped. Let's see now; who next to AJ has been our most consistent (often at Arena, prolific) rider? Tatum talks a good story BUT if the 'proof of the pudding is in the eating' then we're still suffering from malnutrition. Absolute waste of a wage packet; not only in my opinion - but because a season's worth of (dire away) results don't lie. Your right results don't lie. Last years wooden spoon winners to play offs this year. Edited September 18, 2016 by liam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 On hinsight Liam I must agree. With such a plethora of superb speedway teams, consisting of a raft of the Sport's top World Class riders, I'm sure that us scraping into the play-offs with a scored points differential; coupled with a home track advantage; had nothing to do with it. All hail Messiah Tatum. Who needs to spend millions on flood defences when Kelv can just part the waves. As for sorting out swarms of locusts....."No question Nige"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Where was the home track advantage last year?? The teams were just as bad then aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Maybe we were even worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) Well it's the same top five except Bridger for Bech and according to some we have the worst reserves in the league this year? Maybe Tatum hasn't done such a bad job? Edited September 18, 2016 by liam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 I don't think Liam it's people's perception of us having amongst the two worst reserves in the league.... I think that their CMA's prove that particular point. Irrespective of our reserves, given that Sir Kelvin was brought in to (given our Promoter's previous rhetoric) 'improve our away performances', maybe you'd care to illustrate where he has been successful in his endeavours? Please don't say Leicester. Please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 But the team built was always going to be strong at home and poor away. All the motivation in the world is not going to change that. Lakeside model is win everything at home and that should be enough to make the playoffs. And it worked. Tatum hasn't worked miracles, neither on the surface has he done anything disastrous. Though nilsson has arguably been your success story, so if he wanted rid that's not a glowing indictment of his abilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) I don't think Liam it's people's perception of us having amongst the two worst reserves in the league.... I think that their CMA's prove that particular point. Irrespective of our reserves, given that Sir Kelvin was brought in to (given our Promoter's previous rhetoric) 'improve our away performances', maybe you'd care to illustrate where he has been successful in his endeavours? Please don't say Leicester. Please! The aim was to try and make the play offs and we have done that, does it matter how. Wooden spoon last year and was predicted to be fighting for that again this year so making the play offs is a big improvement, surely he deserves some credit? But the team built was always going to be strong at home and poor away. All the motivation in the world is not going to change that. Lakeside model is win everything at home and that should be enough to make the playoffs. And it worked. Tatum hasn't worked miracles, neither on the surface has he done anything disastrous. Though nilsson has arguably been your success story, so if he wanted rid that's not a glowing indictment of his abilities. Exactly this mate, a team of home track specialists coupled with two gambles a reserve which haven't really paid off was always going to see us be poor away no matter what Tatum says or does. We have been good at home with some great racing which is why the crowds have normally stayed pretty good, nothing worse than keep getting whipped at home as we have found out many times before over the years. Edited September 19, 2016 by liam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 Tatum thinking of quitting as our 'Motivational Coach'? The role model that was going to share his wisdom, expertise and knowledge in order for us to improve our performances away from home? Apart from 2 wins at a woefully weak Leicester, we didn't pick up A SINGLE AWAY POINT throughout the season. In fact, as per usual; on many occasions, we've been an embarrassment. Added to which reading between the lines pre-season, Tatum wanted Kim Nilsson dropped. Let's see now; who next to AJ has been our most consistent (often at Arena, prolific) rider? Tatum talks a good story BUT if the 'proof of the pudding is in the eating' then we're still suffering from malnutrition. Absolute waste of a wage packet; not only in my opinion - but because a season's worth of (dire away) results don't lie. Based upon my visits to Lakeside this season, I don't agree. I saw the Poole match back in April and after about 6 heats Poole were about 6 ahead. Enter Tatum, who had been delayed by the Dartford Crossing. Lakeside came out after that unbelievably fired up, produced some brilliant racing and won comfortably. On Friday, I am told that they were the same while Swindon were a total shambles. As Liam has said, Lakeside have gone from wooden spoon to play off with virtually the same team. I'd say that in anyone's books that's a fair improvement and most would put that down to team management. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 I have to say Kelvin has been remarkably unbiased when discussions or meetings involving Lakeside are concerned. Ultra professional. I don't see anything changing. Yep fully agree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 Yep fully agree Well I have to disagree. He and His side kick are always blowing sunshine up Poole's arse. Reading the topic of this thread I am most amazed that Kelvin is considering to step down because of the biasness to some clubs. He has never mentioned a word of this before. It will be interesting to see whether he opinionate on the Lindback situation and his ridiculous average, or will he , as usual say Mat Ford has pulled off a wonder stoke getting in a Ringer for the play-offs.... What's New.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 Well I have to disagree. He and His side kick are always blowing sunshine up Poole's arse. Reading the topic of this thread I am most amazed that Kelvin is considering to step down because of the biasness to some clubs. He has never mentioned a word of this before. It will be interesting to see whether he opinionate on the Lindback situation and his ridiculous average, or will he , as usual say Mat Ford has pulled off a wonder stoke getting in a Ringer for the play-offs.... What's New.... You are talking about his opinion as a broadcaster versus his opinions as a team manager/motivator. If he was slating the rules/other teams/ringers/dodgy dealings then he would probably be sacked. He has been critical of things in the past and that's all he needs to do. His role as a broadcaster has little to do with his involvement at Lakeside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 You are talking about his opinion as a broadcaster versus his opinions as a team manager/motivator. If he was slating the rules/other teams/ringers/dodgy dealings then he would probably be sacked. He has been critical of things in the past and that's all he needs to do. His role as a broadcaster has little to do with his involvement at Lakeside. Yeah, probably so, but sometimes he does tend to go overboard with his adulation of Poole speedway..... I have noticed that he is doing the Poole V Wolves match, which will alleviate any suggestion of biasness towards Lakeside. It will be interesting, you being a Wolves man, to hear his comment in the PO SF's.... I have found in the past, that when someone is trying not to show biasness, they tend to go overboard the other way. I've always thought Tatum was professional in this way and never showed his connection to Lakeside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 RE Kelvin's coaching role ... think he has been a little disappointed at the attitude of some riders. Don't really want to listen, know it all, been there, done it but without the tee shirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 RE Kelvin's coaching role ... think he has been a little disappointed at the attitude of some riders. Don't really want to listen, know it all, been there, done it but without the tee shirt. That's not what he said in the Lakeside programme. So your grounds for that assertion is ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 Tatum thinking of quitting as our 'Motivational Coach'? e. You are the only one that has ever described him as "Motivational Coach ". The programme describes him as Team Manager, along with Jon Cook. We get it that you don't think much of Kelvin, we get it that you don't think much of Jon Cook. We get it that you think Neil Vatcher and his wife are suitable targets for insults and abuse, but there is no need to over egg the pudding by quoting falsehoods instead of fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) We get it that you think Neil Vatcher and his wife are suitable targets for insults and abuseDo what? When have I ever said anything about Neil's Wife???? By the way, despite what the programme states, our website carries articles referring to Tatum's appointment as 'a coach'; and it is in that capacity that he's also referred to upon our club's website. But I'm sure you know best. Edited September 19, 2016 by The Voice Of Reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 The sport needs something radical, perhaps now is the time to have independent committee running the sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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