Brits In Sec/pairs

[RPNY]

It is insane there aren't any British riders in either of these. I know there are fixture clashes as etc, but bigger picture is people like Cook, King, Lambert & others would benefit massively from competing in these. Madness people aren't encouraging their participation in it.

Added to that, very good series to watch.

[Fromafar]

It is insane there aren't any British riders in either of these. I know there are fixture clashes as etc, but bigger picture is people like Cook, King, Lambert & others would benefit massively from competing in these. Madness people aren't encouraging their participation in it.

Added to that, very good series to watch.

Lambert yes but the other 2 wasting their time as Poland has proved.

[mikec]

Agree with you RPNYC, get our lads involved in tough racing at a good level on European tracks they rarely/never see. Sure they may struggle at first, but back them & encourage them. It's an issue that has been done to death on the Forum for years, not enough signs of it really changing either.

 

And from a fans point of view, how good would a round staged in the UK be, somewhere like Peterborough or Belle Vue for example. Have no doubts at all about British fans supporting it, sadly I don't see it happening. Another opportunity missed, not the first time (or last) that I've used that phrase about British speedway.

[SteveLyric2]

Isn't the Pairs all about Named Sponsors teams? Woffy was part of the Monster team earlier this year!!

[uk_martin]

Now turn the clock back a couple of years to when everyone on BSF was calling the SEC a Mickey Mouse competition... oh well you'll be reassured that the beloved governing bodies for speedway in the UK, who know best about everything, still continue to be of the opinion that all competitions promoted outside of these shores are "Mickey Mouse" and they won't allow British riders to lower themselves to the depraved depths that OneSport would drag them down to.

 

So no. You won't see British riders taking part in the SEC and no, you won't get a round of the SEC held in Britain under the current regime. When you see your local promoter strutting around your stadium on racenight, be sure to run up to him, shake him by the hand, and thank him and his trade association, for another job really well done.

[RPNY]

You have Nailed it there sir.

[Col]

Lambert should go for an SEC spot, as should Harris next year. The NSS should offer to host an event for both, we won't get the SWC for a few more years. As for the pairs, it is upto the BSPA to get a sponsor to stump up for the inclusion of a British pair, Hagon Shocks possibly? And offer to host an event at the NSS.

[uk_martin]

Lambert should go for an SEC spot, as should Harris next year. The NSS should offer to host an event for both, we won't get the SWC for a few more years. As for the pairs, it is upto the BSPA to get a sponsor to stump up for the inclusion of a British pair, Hagon Shocks possibly? And offer to host an event at the NSS.

 

For that to happen, Lambert will have to dig out his old German license and forget about riding in the British leagues again as he'll face a 28 day ban if he missed a meeting to ride in the SEC, for "withholding his services" - exactly what prevented Scott Nicholls from joining the SEC tour when it started a couple of years ago.

 

The BSPA do not want anything to do with any tournament organised by OneSport on behalf of FIM Europe. The BSPA do not care how much experience won't be gained, how much prestige can be brought to Britain, or how much the riders can earn. All they care about is that Robert Lambert brings a few more grannies and grandads through the gates at Newcastle on a Sunday afternoon.

[screm]

Now turn the clock back a couple of years to when everyone on BSF was calling the SEC a Mickey Mouse competition... oh well you'll be reassured that the beloved governing bodies for speedway in the UK, who know best about everything, still continue to be of the opinion that all competitions promoted outside of these shores are "Mickey Mouse" and they won't allow British riders to lower themselves to the depraved depths that OneSport would drag them down to.

 

So no. You won't see British riders taking part in the SEC and no, you won't get a round of the SEC held in Britain under the current regime. When you see your local promoter strutting around your stadium on racenight, be sure to run up to him, shake him by the hand, and thank him and his trade association, for another job really well done.

 

As far as the Pairs is concerned I agree with you, it is a Mickey Mouse event, as soon as they ditched Countries and replaced them with sponsored team names it became pointless. The individual event less so, which is why I think some of our riders would do well to take part, of course that means missing fixtures on a Saturday night inparticular, maybe another reason for the EL to consider a one race night each week, it is going to happen at some point.

[Humphrey Appleby]

The BSPA do not want anything to do with any tournament organised by OneSport on behalf of FIM Europe. The BSPA do not care how much experience won't be gained, how much prestige can be brought to Britain, or how much the riders can earn.

What prestige is a competition of made-up teams that no-one identifies with and promoted by a private company, going to bring to Britain? For better or worse, Britain already has extensive team competitions - the fans of whom would prefer all the riders named in those teams to actually turn-up to domestic meetings most of the time.

Edited September 19, 2016 by Humphrey Appleby

[SteveLyric2]

Lets not forget that the riders in the SEC and Pairs have to be good enough in the eyes of the Polish promoters to be invited to take part!!

 

With Woffy part of the Monster Pairs team this year, I'm sure I've read somewhere that BSPA dropped any objection to British 'Stars' taking part as long as the SEC/Pairs dates were announced early enough on the International calendar not to clash with any significant EL fixtures.

[waiheke1]

Surely the BSPA can only stop riders currently racing in the UK from taking part? Accordingly, powerless to stop tai riding?

[uk_martin]

What prestige is a competition of made-up teams that no-one identifies with and promoted by a private company, going to bring to Britain? For better or worse, Britain already has extensive team competitions - the fans of whom would prefer all the riders named in those teams to actually turn-up to domestic meetings most of the time.

 

Maybe you should apply for a top job at the BSPA. You're flying their flag and blowing their trumpet.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Maybe you should apply for a top job at the BSPA. You're flying their flag and blowing their trumpet.

What does OneSport pay you to shill for their competitions?

[RPNY]

What prestige is a competition of made-up teams that no-one identifies with and promoted by a private company, going to bring to Britain? For better or worse, Britain already has extensive team competitions - the fans of whom would prefer all the riders named in those teams to actually turn-up to domestic meetings most of the time.

I understand and appreciate your dedication to our domestic league, however the fact is the same BSPA that want succes on the international stage are also hampering the British lads by not letting them enter competitions like this.

The SEC is a perfect introduction to that level of racing. It would be a massive benefit for them.

[f-s-p]

I understand and appreciate your dedication to our domestic league, however the fact is the same BSPA that want succes on the international stage are also hampering the British lads by not letting them enter competitions like this.

The SEC is a perfect introduction to that level of racing. It would be a massive benefit for them.

Applications by federations for rider allocations need to be submitted by Sep 30th. And there have been absolutely no info given where the qualifiers are held.

[Humphrey Appleby]

I understand and appreciate your dedication to our domestic league, however the fact is the same BSPA that want succes on the international stage are also hampering the British lads by not letting them enter competitions like this.

I don't have any great dedication to British leagues, but a decision has to be made whether riders are allowed to go off and ride in privately promoted competitions at the expense of their main source of employment. It's all very well saying it's valuable experience (which it may or may not be), but when domestic circuits can no longer make a go of it because fans can no longer be bothered to watch makeshift teams, then success at an international level will be irrelevant because there will nowhere for British riders to ride anymore.

 

The British leagues leave a lot to be desired, but they do offer more meetings than any other country and are one of just 3 or 4 places where 150 or so riders can earn something approaching a living. These various OneSport promoted events are all very well, but are a handful of meetings here-and-there for a handful of riders, with only a very few top riders apparently making reasonable money.

 

What you also have to ask is whether success on the international stage brings an iota of extra revenue into local tracks? Are sponsors and crowds queuing up to get into local tracks because there's a British World Champion? I think the answer is most likely no, whereas it's certainly not pulling in the crowds when British teams are constantly missing riders so that a Polish company can enrich itself.

[Ghostwalker]

As far as the Pairs is concerned I agree with you, it is a Mickey Mouse event, as soon as they ditched Countries and replaced them with sponsored team names it became pointless.

The individual event less so, which is why I think some of our riders would do well to take part, of course that means missing fixtures on a Saturday night inparticular, maybe another reason for the EL to

consider a one race night each week, it is going to happen at some point.

 

Don't blame Onesoirt, blame BSI who demanded that OS shouldn't be allowed to usse national teams.

[f-s-p]

 

Don't blame Onesoirt, blame BSI who demanded that OS shouldn't be allowed to usse national teams.

Is that actually true?

[iris123]

Now turn the clock back a couple of years to when everyone on BSF was calling the SEC a Mickey Mouse competition...

I don't think your statement is true.In fact i know it isn't.I never called it a mickey mouse competition.The one i called mickey mouse was the Champions League thngmy..........when is that going to be held by the way?