mdmc82 Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Both Zach and Andersen rode at King's Lynn in the U21 championship http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/thread/15726/world-final-kings-lynn-2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Signing Doyle is not the issue. The issue is we haven't signed riders with scope to improve their averages to compensate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Signing Doyle is not the issue. The issue is we haven't signed riders with scope to improve their averages to compensate. Nail on head.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Signing Doyle is not the issue. The issue is we haven't signed riders with scope to improve their averages to compensate. 100% right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 so who do you think won't improve ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 I don't think the team is that bad. Riders in all teams will struggle to obtain their averages (except the ringers that everyone has been after e.g. Klindt - who for years hasn't been wanted by any team and he ended up at Leicester and this year he was in demand). I think Bellego should do well from what I have seen of him, Ellis showed last year how he has improved but if he can maintain his average he will have done well. In this league, Morris is a good number 2 behind Doyle and Andersen should attain his average (especially when a number of people are saying he should be a 7!). That leaves the reserves - a local youngster who is rated and should improve and Grondal who should attain his average at reserve. While it isn't the strength of team we would all like, the continual watering down of the league over the last 6 years has brought this situation about and, if that team don't perform, then changes WILL be made. Up the Robins! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Honest question guys. Now that you're 1-7 has been confirmed. How many of you would of kept Doyle if you knew you're 1-7 before the names were announced? I'd have to say no. We are giving away more than two points to the second highest average rider (Kasprzak) and more than four points to the like Rye House, which they can in turn use to build a team with a stronger bottom end. The question of course is that if we didn't sign Doyle, who could we have used as a number one? I would personally have preferred a team with more strength in depth, but I don't think many Swindon fans would have been happy with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 I don't think the team is that bad. Riders in all teams will struggle to obtain their averages (except the ringers that everyone has been after e.g. Klindt - who for years hasn't been wanted by any team and he ended up at Leicester and this year he was in demand). I think Bellego should do well from what I have seen of him, Ellis showed last year how he has improved but if he can maintain his average he will have done well. In this league, Morris is a good number 2 behind Doyle and Andersen should attain his average (especially when a number of people are saying he should be a 7!). That leaves the reserves - a local youngster who is rated and should improve and Grondal who should attain his average at reserve. While it isn't the strength of team we would all like, the continual watering down of the league over the last 6 years has brought this situation about and, if that team don't perform, then changes WILL be made. Up the Robins! Seems about right. If you look through the averages there aren't many who will improve on their averages - and those that might have (unsuprisingly) been snapped up by Poole. Top flight riders have had their averages increased by a multiple of 1.4. PL riders will have tougher riders to ride against. The team limit is 50. There won't be many riders increasing their averages this year. Rather than looking at who can improve on their average you have to look at who can improve as a rider - and we have 6 of those. It doesn't look awe inspiring, but I think it is a good enough side for PL. After all, our 4th rider was number one in the PL last year. More team riding from Jason wouldn't go amiss though, and could make a difference. He seems ok at team riding, but seems to get bored after a lap or so and blast off into the distance. I'd have to say no. We are giving away more than two points to the second highest average rider (Kasprzak) and more than four points to the like Rye House, which they can in turn use to build a team with a stronger bottom end. The question of course is that if we didn't sign Doyle, who could we have used as a number one? I would personally have preferred a team with more strength in depth, but I don't think many Swindon fans would have been happy with that. Your second paragraph says a lot. Without Doyle we'd probably be looking at Nick Morris as number one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Honest question guys. Now that you're 1-7 has been confirmed. How many of you would of kept Doyle if you knew you're 1-7 before the names were announced? Doyley every time for me. The rare times we have gone with strength in depth we have been poo. Always prefer a Leigh/Ward/Doyley type at 1. Morris was always going to be back and I don't mind the signing of Ellis but Bellego is a strange one for me on that average. Don't know anything about the other 3 so will just have to reserve judgement until a few meetings in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 so who do you think won't improve ? Bellego, Ellis and Grondal for starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Bellego, Ellis and Grondal for starters. Think you will be pleasantly surprised with bellego 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Think you will be pleasantly surprised with bellego Hope you're right, but the best part of an 8 average is a huge ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 The averages have all been inflated by 1.4 anyway, do we all presume that riders have all improved by 1.4 over the winter or are we looking at last years averages as a benchmark ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 The averages have all been inflated by 1.4 anyway, do we all presume that riders have all improved by 1.4 over the winter or are we looking at last years averages as a benchmark ?Two ways you can look at it. One you could take scbs weighted averages and multiply by around 1.25. Or you could take their starting average and deduct 15%. I tjink for example if Adam can average between 6 and 7 from the main body of the team he has done his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Think you will be pleasantly surprised with bellego Not if he produces performances like he did at Brandon when guesting for us. He was dire, Ellis Perks passed him. To be fair though I've seen him have decent meetings too. I think there was better riders on a similar average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 I'd have to say no. We are giving away more than two points to the second highest average rider (Kasprzak) and more than four points to the like Rye House, which they can in turn use to build a team with a stronger bottom end. The question of course is that if we didn't sign Doyle, who could we have used as a number one? I would personally have preferred a team with more strength in depth, but I don't think many Swindon fans would have been happy with that. Unless you got a rider say of the ability of Shamek Pawlicki as a no 1 and then got another six riders in with strength in depth in mind leaving Doyley out was never an option for Rosco.Some of the other teams for me are no great shakes so i would not give up on this team just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) Doyley every time for me. The rare times we have gone with strength in depth we have been poo. Always prefer a Leigh/Ward/Doyley type at 1. Morris was always going to be back and I don't mind the signing of Ellis but Bellego is a strange one for me on that average. Don't know anything about the other 3 so will just have to reserve judgement until a few meetings in. That is the same as the view I am taking, lets see what is happening by the end of May, be prepared for a couple of possible surprises, what is important is what happens at the end of the season, not the beginning. Edited December 2, 2016 by A ORLOV 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 If we can get Andersen on a 5, why not get Hansen too thus giving more points above Bellegos average for say Zengota type of rider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Signing Doyle is not the issue. The issue is we haven't signed riders with scope to improve their averages to compensate. Who can tell, I remember Ellis guesting for Coventry last season & he blew us apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Who can tell, I remember Ellis guesting for Coventry last season & he blew us apart. Riding at reserve though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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