MrMungo Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 Yes, I am astounded. Any logical assessment would have MBA at 7.00 (6 at a pinch, but certainly not 5.00). Having seen him more than once abroad and the other riders previously named it would be a real slap in the face to British riders to give proven performers in the World Under 21 Final such ridiculously low assessed averages. Whilst British riders who have ridden in the World U21 Finals are saddled with ridiculous grades trying to get a ride in Denmark. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 What are their grades, e.g. Ellis, Lambert, Bates, Newman & Howarth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 What are their grades, e.g. Ellis, Lambert, Bates, Newman & Howarth? Ellis C+ Lambert B Newman C Howarth D-, must try harder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 Yes, I am astounded. Any logical assessment would have MBA at 7.00 (6 at a pinch, but certainly not 5.00). Having seen him more than once abroad and the other riders previously named it would be a real slap in the face to British riders to give proven performers in the World Under 21 Final such ridiculously low assessed averages. It's a bloody joke. We're told we're using PL averages but now they're giving Danes with World U21 experience 5 point averages. There is no justification for this. Well Done the BSPA, you bunch of utter morons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 Pretty sure Zach will be on a par with Branford & better than Shanes. Are you joking? Branford is the best rider there by a long stretch. Averaged over six in the PL last year for Rye House. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 He'd be a 7 at PL level last year so no justification why it isn't this year also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 If people are complaining that Andersen's assessed average is too low, that has to be a good sign! Looking at the 2016 under-21, he scored 9 points from 3 rounds. As comparison, Ellis scored 17. Zach Wajtknect and Nathan Greaves both scored 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 It's a bloody joke. We're told we're using PL averages but now they're giving Danes with World U21 experience 5 point averages. There is no justification for this. Well Done the BSPA, you bunch of utter morons! that was my intial thought to. But i looked at Dolgin's rankings, which have him 210th in the world. That's lower than Sarjeant and Clegg, though higher than Jacobs and Rose. My own rankngs had him 205th, below JAcobs, Sarjeant, Nielsen but above Clegg. So I'd say probably a 4 point assessed EL average (converted to 5.6) would have been about fair. But given we should be encouraging use of Brits, I understand the argument it should have been a 5 converted to 7. Either way, his average is too low, BUT I also doubt he will achieve his average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 that was my intial thought to. But i looked at Dolgin's rankings, which have him 210th in the world. That's lower than Sarjeant and Clegg, though higher than Jacobs and Rose. My own rankngs had him 205th, below JAcobs, Sarjeant, Nielsen but above Clegg. So I'd say probably a 4 point assessed EL average (converted to 5.6) would have been about fair. But given we should be encouraging use of Brits, I understand the argument it should have been a 5 converted to 7. Either way, his average is too low, BUT I also doubt he will achieve his average. Don't spoil it! Can't we just enjoy the illusion that we have a ringer for at least one day? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) We have a real youthful look about our side and i am open minded on how we will do.Andersen it looks a big ask to come in but he has decent credentials but i believe Hansen is a better rider we shall see roll on March.!! Edited December 1, 2016 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 Don't spoil it! Can't we just enjoy the illusion that we have a ringer for at least one day? yeah sorry. he is the Dane that Matt Ford was disapointed to miss out on. And Ford was thinking he was a bargain on a 7 converted to a 9.8, I imagine both he and Doyle will be dualling it out for top of the Robins averages come end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 that was my intial thought to. But i looked at Dolgin's rankings, which have him 210th in the world. That's lower than Sarjeant and Clegg, though higher than Jacobs and Rose. My own rankngs had him 205th, below JAcobs, Sarjeant, Nielsen but above Clegg. So I'd say probably a 4 point assessed EL average (converted to 5.6) would have been about fair. But given we should be encouraging use of Brits, I understand the argument it should have been a 5 converted to 7. Either way, his average is too low, BUT I also doubt he will achieve his average. It's irrelevant how good or bad he is. We're now using PL averages. Foreigners are a 7. He should be a 7. The fact he is crap just means he shouldn't be riding in our league at all! There should be a minimum assessed average to stop any old dross riding here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 yeah sorry. he is the Dane that Matt Ford was disapointed to miss out on. And Ford was thinking he was a bargain on a 7 converted to a 9.8, I imagine both he and Doyle will be dualling it out for top of the Robins averages come end of the season. No it isn't - see my post on the Poole thread this morning!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 Don't spoil it! Can't we just enjoy the illusion that we have a ringer for at least one day? We have but do not tell anybody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 No it isn't - see my post on the Poole thread this morning!! I detect sarcasm in his post Skidder! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 It's irrelevant how good or bad he is. We're now using PL averages. Foreigners are a 7. He should be a 7. The fact he is crap just means he shouldn't be riding in our league at all! There should be a minimum assessed average to stop any old dross riding here. Why, when the Bees have signed fellow Dane, Lasse Bjerre, on less than 7? It's perfectly reasonable to have an untried, new, young foreign rider on a 5 point average. Otherwise we'll be stuck with the existing dross like Klindt on 5.42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 Crazy assessment - in 'old money' its like him coming in on 3.57 last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 It's irrelevant how good or bad he is. We're now using PL averages. Foreigners are a 7. He should be a 7. The fact he is crap just means he shouldn't be riding in our league at all! There should be a minimum assessed average to stop any old dross riding here. i agree fully. just pointing out that Swindon aren't really gaining here (sorry Grachan!). What should have happened, as many of us said at the time, was a clear statement from BSPA as to what methodology would be used for foreign riders, and a list of every rider and what average they would have come in on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) that was my intial thought to. But i looked at Dolgin's rankings, which have him 210th in the world. That's lower than Sarjeant and Clegg, though higher than Jacobs and Rose. My own rankngs had him 205th, below JAcobs, Sarjeant, Nielsen but above Clegg. So I'd say probably a 4 point assessed EL average (converted to 5.6) would have been about fair. But given we should be encouraging use of Brits, I understand the argument it should have been a 5 converted to 7. Either way, his average is too low, BUT I also doubt he will achieve his average. Jacobs and Rose are better than Sarjeant any way, and about level with Clegg, so that list seems crap, Rose is probably better than Clegg for now, maybe not in a few years though Edited December 1, 2016 by Dandelion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 So why not reassess all foreigners, including the likes of Lasse Bjerre, to a minimum of 7? Can't see how you can object to Andersen being a 5 when Klindt is 5.42. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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