BurntFaceMan Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Think Swindon should take a bow for honouring the contract despite the crazy average. They had agreed a 2 year deal and honour that. Loyalty is a rare commodity in speedway and I hope they prove people wrong. It's nothing to do with honouring the contract... It's a desperate attempt to keep the attendances high enough to pay the bills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 It's nothing to do with honouring the contract... It's a desperate attempt to keep the attendances high enough to pay the bills. So Poole will be going bankrupt then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 If six are allowed that could be either a problem some nights getting good riders or a blessing where we can get track specialists in. Promotion/relegation hasn't worked recently and isn't likely to with 40/50 teams and some clubs not wishing to be promoted. Instead, iIt might have made sense for each league to have sister clubs, sharing riders (as double uppers or guests for injuries) in an effort to avoid fixture clashes and improve fan loyalty, like Swindon and Somerset last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Promotion/relegation hasn't worked recently and isn't likely to with 40/50 teams and some clubs not wishing to be promoted. Instead, iIt might have made sense for each league to have sister clubs, sharing riders (as double uppers or guests for injuries) in an effort to avoid fixture clashes and improve fan loyalty, like Swindon and Somerset last year. I am hoping that can happen as on the whole it did work well last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 So Poole will be going bankrupt then? Clubs like Poole will be amongst the hardest hit by these changes. Many Poole fans expect to see the best riders in the world, and it looks like we can't even stick one of them in this year. Whenever you dilute the quality like this, you reduce the attendances. When the attendances reduce, the income reduces. When the income reduces, the costs need to be reduced. When the costs need to be reduced, you restart the process of diluting the quality. Anybody with a nut in their head should be able to see this is not a sustainable model. All you will be left with is the die hard fans paying through the nose for increasingly poor speedway. The past 10 years is a screaming testimony to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Think Swindon should take a bow for honouring the contract despite the crazy average. They had agreed a 2 year deal and honour that. Loyalty is a rare commodity in speedway and I hope they prove people wrong. Yes just like Poole honouring Hans two year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Clubs like Poole will be amongst the hardest hit by these changes. Many Poole fans expect to see the best riders in the world, and it looks like we can't even stick one of them in this year. Whenever you dilute the quality like this, you reduce the attendances. When the attendances reduce, the income reduces. When the income reduces, the costs need to be reduced. When the costs need to be reduced, you restart the process of diluting the quality. Anybody with a nut in their head should be able to see this is not a sustainable model. All you will be left with is the die hard fans paying through the nose for increasingly poor speedway. The past 10 years is a screaming testimony to this. Well that doesn't answer the question and seems to contradict your last post. If you have all the answers maybe you should offer to run BV or Leicester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) Swindon will be a decent side together, I think too much is being made of Doyley average. It is what it is. 37 points left for 6 spaces, rosco has said today he's riders signed that will up averages. klindt would be a good one for that, 5.52....plenty of room to improve. Edited November 10, 2016 by hyabb17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Well that doesn't answer the question and seems to contradict your last post. If you have all the answers maybe you should offer to run BV or Leicester. What? It doesn't contradict my last post at all. Your question was will Poole go bankrupt then? No, they have far better support than Swindon, there won't be enough clubs left for them to compete with before they go bankrupt. Maybe I should offer to run BV or Leicester? Why? I'm not a promoter! But ask yourself this... when was the last time you came across speedway outside of the speedway world? When was the last time you saw speedway out and about in public, on the internet, on the television, in a capacity other than you directly attending? The time for excuses is over. The promoters had a choice; either come together and forge a plan for the future, or continue to cut costs and line their own pockets. They made their choice and it will soon be beyond repair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 In fairness Swindon for the past few months have been a various events around the town, been into the local college etc. The new promotions are trying to push it in the town! What? It doesn't contradict my last post at all. Your question was will Poole go bankrupt then? No, they have far better support than Swindon, there won't be enough clubs left for them to compete with before they go bankrupt. Maybe I should offer to run BV or Leicester? Why? I'm not a promoter! But ask yourself this... when was the last time you came across speedway outside of the speedway world? When was the last time you saw speedway out and about in public, on the internet, on the television, in a capacity other than you directly attending? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) In fairness Swindon for the past few months have been a various events around the town, been into the local college etc. The new promotions are trying to push it in the town! Good on them! That's exactly what they should be doing. Grasping social media, sharing lots of clips, sharing lots of gossip, lots of fan interaction, getting out around the town, the schools, the colleges, the universities, getting on the radio, getting on local news, getting in magazines, papers, working out their demographic and giving out free entry to those who they aren't already attending, etc. There is no end to what you can do if you care enough to invest the right time, people and money in the right places. I really don't get how some promoters and even people on this forum can be so dismissive of the facts. Either speedway simply isn't good enough to sell, and we need to accept that we now need to pay the highest prices in Europe for amongst the lowest quality, or we appreciate that the promoters simply aren't doing enough and we're footing the bill! Edited November 10, 2016 by BurntFaceMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Also given free tickets to schools. Good on them! That's exactly what they should be doing. Grasping social media, sharing lots of clips, sharing lots of gossip, lots of fan interaction, getting out around the town, the schools, the colleges, the universities, getting on the radio, getting on local news, getting in magazines, papers, working out their demographic and giving out free entry to those who they aren't already attending, etc. There is no end to what you can do if you care enough to invest the right time, people and money in the right places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Also given free tickets to schools. It's just not enough. Kid's don't really understand what it's all about and their parents aren't going to take them unless you interest them as well. It has to be one big concerted effort and it should be a joint effort. Every club should financially contribute towards a full time marketing team to develop speedway in the UK, rather than resting on it's laurels. It can be done. The problem is a combination of ignorant promoters who do not understand what more they can be doing, and selfish promoters who are only interested in lining their own pockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) What? It doesn't contradict my last post at all. Your question was will Poole go bankrupt then? No, they have far better support than Swindon, there won't be enough clubs left for them to compete with before they go bankrupt. We have far better support than anyone mate... Edited November 10, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 What? It doesn't contradict my last post at all. Your question was will Poole go bankrupt then? No, they have far better support than Swindon, there won't be enough clubs left for them to compete with before they go bankrupt. Maybe I should offer to run BV or Leicester? Why? I'm not a promoter! But ask yourself this... when was the last time you came across speedway outside of the speedway world? When was the last time you saw speedway out and about in public, on the internet, on the television, in a capacity other than you directly attending? The time for excuses is over. The promoters had a choice; either come together and forge a plan for the future, or continue to cut costs and line their own pockets. They made their choice and it will soon be beyond repair. In fairness Swindon for the past few months have been a various events around the town, been into the local college etc. The new promotions are trying to push it in the town! Coventry also promote well within some schools, a stand at the Motorcycle Live at the NEC, taking bikes and riders to various places like ToysRus! Trouble is, it doesn't seem to make that much difference to getting new support some maybe the promoters decided they had no choice. It is very easy to pontificate when it isn't your money that is at stake. What I would like to see is Promoters/Management/riders having meetings with existing supporters to see how new supporters can be brought in. Current supporters are more likely to get some success with this approach. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Coventry also promote well within some schools, a stand at the Motorcycle Live at the NEC, taking bikes and riders to various places like ToysRus! Trouble is, it doesn't seem to make that much difference to getting new support some maybe the promoters decided they had no choice. It is very easy to pontificate when it isn't your money that is at stake. What I would like to see is Promoters/Management/riders having meetings with existing supporters to see how new supporters can be brought in. Current supporters are more likely to get some success with this approach. I get what you're saying but it's really not something that is up for debate. Either they come together and put the time and money in to the right places, or this trend of cutting costs and dropping attendances will go on year after year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 We have far better support than anyone mate... .........until you have a poor season and then the support leaves in droves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 .........until you have a poor season and then the support leaves in droves! We rarely have poor seasons.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 I get what you're saying but it's really not something that is up for debate. Either they come together and put the time and money in to the right places, or this trend of cutting costs and dropping attendances will go on year after year. Sorry to be pedantic but unless you specify this comment then I can only concur that you have no idea either on how to increase the attendances. Sorry for hijacking the thread Swindon supporters! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Yes just like Poole honouring Hans two year deal. Yes but as we all know if it didn't suit he would of been out of the door Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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