Gambo Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 It's easy to see the averages for this season go to the BSPA website & look at the averages column that comes first not the green sheet averages. These are the averages that will come into effect once the 4h + 4a have been ridden, Ellis's 7 on Wednesday will not affect his average as he has already completed his 4a meetings. I think you may be wrong in that. A team may have done 5 (or more) at Home before they reach the 4 Away figure. In that case all 5H (or more) + 4A will count towards his new 'official' average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 !970 best ever Brazil team. The 1970 team had some fantastic individuals but the1982 team played the best football I've ever seen; "total football" with every player skilled on the ball & capable of attacking from anywhere on the pitch. They lacked only a centre forward (which, unfortunately, Italy had). Doyle - 107/43 x 4 = 9.95 Morris - 98/44 x 4 = 8.91 Bellego - 72/39 x 4 = 7.38 Gappmaier - (assessed?) 4.00 (or would this be based on PL average?) Zak - 31/38 x 4 = 3.65 Ellis - 32/36 x 4 = 3.56 Wilson-Dean - 20/28 x 4 = 2.86 Total = 40.31 . Gappmaier is 5.57 now for Berwick. I can see us getting rid of him and Zach. There's got to be some average fiddle available, like signing Tungate & Ritchings now for Ellis & Zach before the new averages apply and then when Tungate gets his new average bring back Ellis & a new rider for Gappmaier & Ritchings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 Why not just bring in tungate for gappmaier when the new averages come out? I don't think your proposal fits average wise? Edit: is there really no multiplier being used between pl and Cl? Surely even the bspa cannot be that dim? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) Afaik that is/was the intention but one or two others are at risk also now, I for one would had brought the hobbit in for Dany and hoped Ellis would drop to reserve and Bradley would up things a little but the rain off against Somerset may have scuppered that plan Edited June 3, 2017 by hagonshocker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 It's easy to see the averages for this season go to the BSPA website & look at the averages column that comes first not the green sheet averages. These are the averages that will come into effect once the 4h + 4a have been ridden, Ellis's 7 on Wednesday will not affect his average as he has already completed his 4a meetings. All I can see is Jason Doyle on 13.41 on the BSPA site. I can't see any current averages. Am I looking in the wrong place? I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that it is only the first 4 home and away meeting that are used. Surely it's just a cut off point. Where are people getting this idea from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 All I can see is Jason Doyle on 13.41 on the BSPA site. I can't see any current averages. Am I looking in the wrong place? I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that it is only the first 4 home and away meeting that are used. Surely it's just a cut off point. Where are people getting this idea from? http://www.speedwaygb.co/premiershipstatistics17 I agree with you, I think it will be all eligible meetings, rather than just the first 4H and 4A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 http://www.speedwaygb.co/premiershipstatistics17 I agree with you, I think it will be all eligible meetings, rather than just the first 4H and 4A Cheers. A couple of weeks behind but still useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 Cheers. A couple of weeks behind but still useful.What do you mean a couple of weeks behind? It's not? It's up to date as of 31/5/17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) http://www.speedwaygb.co/premiershipstatistics17 I agree with you, I think it will be all eligible meetings, rather than just the first 4H and 4A These figures give an indication of how the averages are working out, although some of the results will not count for GSA figures, and after a quick look at it it seems we are looking at a team average of about 38.5, so there could be a bit of room for a change or two. What is interesting is that Rohan Tungates average is 5.09, but is he Kings Lynn bound with all the practicing he is doing there. Edited June 3, 2017 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 It would be interesting to know what average Kildemand would come in on, once the new averages have been issued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 Why not just bring in tungate for gappmaier when the new averages come out? Because Tungate will stay at 9.03 & Gappy is 5.57 & we won't have 3.46 spare to 42 (assuming 42 is the new limit). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 It would be interesting to know what average Kildemand would come in on, once the new averages have been issued. His performances abroad seem to have suffered since dropping the UK but he is told what to do by Poland. Because Tungate will stay at 9.03 & Gappy is 5.57 & we won't have 3.46 spare to 42 (assuming 42 is the new limit). Do not think it will, he seems to have ridden 4h and 4a and has an average of 5.09 as shown on the bspa table. OK it may not be 100% correct but it is close to what his average will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 http://www.speedwaygb.co/premiershipstatistics17 I agree with you, I think it will be all eligible meetings, rather than just the first 4H and 4A http://www.speedwaygb.co/premiershipstatistics17 I agree with you, I think it will be all eligible meetings, rather than just the first 4H and 4A Rules quite clearly state 4h & 4a. New averages were intended to come in by May 1st & MC have right to impose new averages if 4h & 4a not reached. Having left it so long, surely it would not be fair to riders who have already reached their 4h & 4a. Rule as below 16.2.7 A SGB Premiership or Championship League rider will establish an MA after 4 Home and 4 Away fixtures, becoming effective 7 days after the last qualifying Meeting. Should an Established MA not be achieved to be effective from 1st May, then the MC may issue a revised MA, based upon actual rides if the Team re-declares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 Rules quite clearly state 4h & 4a. New averages were intended to come in by May 1st & MC have right to impose new averages if 4h & 4a not reached. Having left it so long, surely it would not be fair to riders who have already reached their 4h & 4a. Rule as below 16.2.7 A SGB Premiership or Championship League rider will establish an MA after 4 Home and 4 Away fixtures, becoming effective 7 days after the last qualifying Meeting. Should an Established MA not be achieved to be effective from 1st May, then the MC may issue a revised MA, based upon actual rides if the Team re-declares. I think that rule is now obsolete, as many teams have competed more than 4H and 4W without gaining new averages. I think this rule will take precedence: 16.2.6.1 Updated MA’s will be calculated on all eligible meetings, up to and including Monday’s meetings each fortnight for issue on Thursday to become effective from the next Monday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 Regarding the double header at the end of August, I have been trying to understand why since it was announced and I'm still none the wiser! There are so many blank Thursday nights between now and the end of the season (or even our off night of Sunday), why is there a need for a double header? This sport has absolutely no consideration for the fans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) Regarding the double header at the end of August, I have been trying to understand why since it was announced and I'm still none the wiser! There are so many blank Thursday nights between now and the end of the season (or even our off night of Sunday), why is there a need for a double header? This sport has absolutely no consideration for the fans! I'm going to assume because Somerset would be missing Grajczonek and Wright who both ride for 2nd division clubs on a Thursday. It wouldn't be within our interests to go to Swindon missing two riders who rode for the club last season. You can add Cameron Heeps to that list of Thursday tracks in the 2nd tier too. Edited June 3, 2017 by Najjer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) I'm going to assume because Somerset would be missing Grajczonek and Wright who both ride for 2nd division clubs on a Thursday. It wouldn't be within our interests to go to Swindon missing two riders who rode for the club last season. You can add Cameron Heeps to that list of Thursday tracks in the 2nd tier too. Surely Somerset wont agree to this fixture i hope not no more guests please. Edited June 4, 2017 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 I'm going to assume because Somerset would be missing Grajczonek and Wright who both ride for 2nd division clubs on a Thursday. It wouldn't be within our interests to go to Swindon missing two riders who rode for the club last season. You can add Cameron Heeps to that list of Thursday tracks in the 2nd tier too. Also many of the Swindon riders also d/u and or ride abroad on different nights so finding an acceptable date is difficult. Nick Morris has recently started riding for a Polish team as well as for one in either Denmark or Sweden and Berwick as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 I think that rule is now obsolete, as many teams have competed more than 4H and 4W without gaining new averages. I think this rule will take precedence: 16.2.6.1 Updated MA’s will be calculated on all eligible meetings, up to and including Monday’s meetings each fortnight for issue on Thursday to become effective from the next Monday. If that is so, why haven't they issued new averages as we are 1 month past the deadline for 4h & 4a. It's my guess that have been bottling it because they are not sure what to do. Rosco says the new averages will be out the day after we have completed our next home meeting on 15/6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 If that is so, why haven't they issued new averages as we are 1 month past the deadline for 4h & 4a. It's my guess that have been bottling it because they are not sure what to do. Rosco says the new averages will be out the day after we have completed our next home meeting on 15/6. So far we have only had 3H and 4A of the matches that averages are calculated on. Rye House will be our 4th home Premiership meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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