Fourentee Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Nope. Just Swindon trying to pull a fast one. Hardly that. Taking a punt, certainly, and had it come off then I dare say it would have been regarded as a good piece of business. It was an act with some risk attached, of course. But some you win, some you lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Nope. Just Swindon trying to pull a fast one. More irrony. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 More Facts. Obviously that went way over your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Absolutely barmy that new foreigners were ever considered to be coming in on four or five. OK, first we need to decide if we need or want foreign riders. We need them if there is not enough Brit riders to fill the 133 places. We want them if we think they'll appeal to fans and attract bigger crowds. Whether they are needed or wanted they should come in on fair assessed averages according to their assessed ability & we should get rid of loopholes so Matt Ford doesn't wave his cheque book & get bargain average riders that other clubs can't afford If they turn out to be worse than their assessed average we have to decide whether we need or want to keep them. It's just plain wrong that Graverson can come back on 3.83/4 & Klindt on 5.42 but a new, young, inexperienced Dane (Andersen) has to be a 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 If Matt Ford tried to pull a fast one with Mikkel B Andersen then the cry babies would be out in force. Seeing as it was Swindon is guess that's ok? The difference is, if it were Ford, the rules would mysteriously change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Nope, not OK for Swindon. We just need fair, clear & rational regulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Aren't you a Pboro fan anyway? Confusing yourself If Matt Ford tried to pull a fast one with Mikkel B Andersen then the cry babies would be out in force. Seeing as it was Swindon is guess that's ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 If Matt Ford tried to pull a fast one with Mikkel B Andersen then the cry babies would be out in force. Seeing as it was Swindon is guess that's ok? It's not okay for ANY team to try and get away with it. Now no team can, thank god. Common sense at last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Of that we will never know. However thank god they have seen sense because bringing foreigners in on a 4 or 5 whilst saddling some British riders with averages over 7 would be completely barking. I'm shocked any promoter would think they could get away with such a shocking blatant attempt at getting someone on a bargain average. Thank god the days of teams bringing in ringer reserves on plainly fake averages are over even though it seems it hasn't been well executed. You would think any person from Swindon who attended the AGM would ensure they get clear clarification on new assessed riders particularly given they were looking to bring one in. Somebody messed up that's for sure. Swindon quite obviously weren't trying to get away with anything. They plainly got the average wrong. Why? Because, as with each 'new era' that they have every year, the guidelines weren't clearly laid out. When Swindon signed Andersen I don't recall there being any complaints on here until someone (probably SCB) pointed out that he should be a 7.00 because of the level the sport has now been sadly dragged into. In fact, my guess is that nobody on the BSPA would have noticed either if it hadn't been pointed out to them on here. So most of the people now here mouthing off about Swindon trying to pull some sort of fast one probably wouldn't even have noticed if SCB hadn't pointed it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Obviously that went way over your head. Don't feed the troll 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Absolutely barmy that new foreigners were ever considered to be coming in on four or five. And you feel justified in having Kai Huckenbeck for a second season. If he hadn't have ridden last year - he would be coming in on a 7. Oh wait - no he wouldn't because no one would touch him! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 (edited) So if Swindon had a 44.5 point team, Boro's 40 point team would get close to them? Thanks for that insight Shawn, even Leicester's 40 point team beat 44 point teams this year! And you dismiss Swindon's top 4, all of whom have averages considerably higher than Boro's top 4, & you don't mention Ostergaard on his way down, Lambert the one track pony returning from injury, the schizophrenic Hansen & 2 point rookie Tom Bacon who has never seen most tracks, certainly not Boro or Swindon & hasn't achieved anything like Wajknecht in the NL. Oh, and there's Grondal's regular 9 point scores when he was a Boro rider and on his visit this year Bellego won three faces & beat Craig Cook twice. Yep, no chance for Swindon! You're right. That was a really crap explanation My point, that I failed to make was that signing Doyle on 13.5 is the madness. You can sign a rider on 8 or 9 who against a team like Peterborough would score the same 15 points that Doyle will. Swindon have wasted 2-3 point on Doyle but against the wrong(right?) team it's a waste of nearer 5 points. I just can't get my head around any club signing a rider on 11+ it puts you on the back foot. As fort your views on Peterbourgh riders, I agree you could be right but I also happen to think on their day they're all smashing riders around the EOES and can (and do) beat the best riders in the league around there. So most of the people now here mouthing off about Swindon trying to pull some sort of fast one probably wouldn't even have noticed if SCB hadn't pointed it out. Maybe I should get that job as independent person that people always keep on about?! If I was Nick Morris would be on his 2015 PL average too Edited December 10, 2016 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milney Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 SCB has one vote from me then! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 (edited) You're right. That was a really crap explanation My point, that I failed to make was that signing Doyle on 13.5 is the madness. You can sign a rider on 8 or 9 who against a team like Peterborough would score the same 15 points that Doyle will. Swindon have wasted 2-3 point on Doyle but against the wrong(right?) team it's a waste of nearer 5 points. I just can't get my head around any club signing a rider on 11+ it puts you on the back foot. As fort your views on Peterbourgh riders, I agree you could be right but I also happen to think on their day they're all smashing riders around the EOES and can (and do) beat the best riders in the league around there. Maybe I should get that job as independent person that people always keep on about?! If I was Nick Morris would be on his 2015 PL average too Well, you do seem to know more than most of the people that run it do. As for Doyle, Swindon also need to be looking at their own situation regarding getting supporters in and keeping some form of pride in the club. There is so much more at stake here than just having a winning side. To be honest it's only Swindon keeping Doyle plus knowing that they were against this ridiculous dumbing down that might get me to a couple of meetings next year. If my own team was one of those that keep bringing this once great sport into disrepute I would not be going to see them at all after this latest attempt to kill off any form of top level in the UK. These clubs might say they are not getting good crowds in. Maybe they need to look at themselves for the reasons why. Edited December 10, 2016 by grachan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Meanwhile so many clubs have gained by being allowed to use Premier League(rolling) averages for riders when they all had Elite League for 2016 anyway. Swindon were daft not to have Rosco at the AGM rather than the good but new Mike Bowden. I am constantly amazed how these idiots get things confused year after year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Swindon were daft not to have Rosco at the AGM rather than the good but new Mike Bowden. I am constantly amazed how these idiots get things confused year after year. That does seem strange as Mike would not have known how decisions at the agm are made, mind you was not Colin Pratt there he should have known about the carry ons some get up to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 So most of the people now here mouthing off about Swindon trying to pull some sort of fast one probably wouldn't even have noticed if SCB hadn't pointed it out. Personally speaking I had seen no clarity on the ruling regards assessed averages. So I'm not surprised in all honesty. Neither the BSPA nor Swindon come out of this with much respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 From the outset many posters said that BSPa needed to issue a statement on averages for new riders so that it was transparent (wasn't that what buster promised?). They didn't. Suspect roscoe being told he would be a 5 was because they forgot about the conversion. I'd also say they should next season rule that no foreign rider can start the season lower than say a 6. A good young talent would be signed on that still. But you wouldn't have dross like Graversen or Grondal taking spots that should go to brits. Maybe a 5% reduction for all brits, 10% for those u23? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 (edited) And you feel justified in having Kai Huckenbeck for a second season. If he hadn't have ridden last year - he would be coming in on a 7. Oh wait - no he wouldn't because no one would touch him! Not at all, if the minimum average for foreigners who had already ridden here was five or six I'd have no qualms at all. We may well reap the rewards of him being pretty poor last year and I imagine we will but he could well be pony again. However you can't use last year's PL averages and a 1.4 conversion for those who don't have them and not raise assessed averages too. Edited December 10, 2016 by Gordon Bennett 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) Well, you do seem to know more than most of the people that run it do. As for Doyle, Swindon also need to be looking at their own situation regarding getting supporters in and keeping some form of pride in the club. There is so much more at stake here than just having a winning side. To be honest it's only Swindon keeping Doyle plus knowing that they were against this ridiculous dumbing down that might get me to a couple of meetings next year. If my own team was one of those that keep bringing this once great sport into disrepute I would not be going to see them at all after this latest attempt to kill off any form of top level in the UK. These clubs might say they are not getting good crowds in. Maybe they need to look at themselves for the reasons why. I think if it wasn't for the new stadium and Doyley the crowds would be dangerously low, probably would be lucky to get 4 figures. Once the novelty has worn off though? The league cannot get weaker and weaker and weaker....time for one league in 2018 perhaps? Edited December 11, 2016 by Alfred Stopcock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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