Starman2006 Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 A choice of t wo possibilities there. Either Gerald has a twin brother driving the tractor at Lakeside on Wedbesday, or else it was Gerald himself driving the tractor and you are telling porkies about him being at Poole. Hmm.... Anybody ever seen or heard of Gerald having a twin brother? No, thought not. Caught out telling porkies it is then. As i said, Gerald was with you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) Easy as I thought it would be. Going into a playoff semi without a number one and expecting your other riders to cover was foolhardy at best, and stingy at worst. Short changed theplayoffs Imo.No different toPoole getting a ringer in on a false average to cover the second heatleader role and he finishes up scoring less than r/r would have done. I am amazed that after all the years you have followed Speedwáy you still haven't grasped that you can't just bring a Continental Johnny in and expect him to hit the ground running. Not only are track surfaces different to when Lindback last rode here but crucially- and this is the point that those with no mechanical knowledge can't grasp -the silencers are different. If Linback, a GP rider and therefore amongst the best in the world can only manage 5 points from 5 rides on his home track what reason is there to believe that any Tom, Dick, or Bartosz would score any more than the six points R/R scored at Lakeside ? Obviously a like for like replacement for AJ would be ideal but in reality there are only a tiny handful of riders that coukd do a serious job and none were available. And still those who say a No 1 should have been brought in can't tell us who was available and prepared to come. Edited September 23, 2016 by E I Addio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 As for who was available and prepared to come - only Mr. J Cook knows the answers. He told the fans after heat 4 of the Swindon meeting that he had plans to cover AJ depending on the opposition in the semi finals, and all would be revealed the following Monday. Subsequently, a mystery Polish rider had been spoken to ... but this was shelved because AJ had made a rapid recovery and could well be available for the 2nd leg at Belle Vue. Apparently, if the mystery Polish rider rode in the first leg we would have hd to ride him in the second leg! You couldn't make it up ... but Mr Cook can .. and he has. I meant to type after heat 14 not 4 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 It would be true though that of a pole was brought in, aj could not ride the 2nd leg. Doubt the pole would have come cheap. Tbh r/r at home and aj/kk away is about as strong as you could realistically hope for. For all the criticism of r/r kk as guest was probably the only stronger option. Unless dudek/zmarzlick/janowski/pawlicki were available and willing to ride for an non extortionate fee. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 As for who was available and prepared to come - only Mr. J Cook knows the answers. He told the fans after heat 4 of the Swindon meeting that he had plans to cover AJ depending on the opposition in the semi finals, and all would be revealed the following Monday. Subsequently, a mystery Polish rider had been spoken to ... but this was shelved because AJ had made a rapid recovery and could well be available for the 2nd leg at Belle Vue. Apparently, if the mystery Polish rider rode in the first leg we would have hd to ride him in the second leg! You couldn't make it up ... but Mr Cook can .. and he has. I meant to type after heat 14 not 4 ! Jon Cook didn't make anything up OBaHB but with AJ contacting him and saying he was working hard (NOT had made a rapid recovery as you've posted) to try and get fit for both tonight's GP and Monday's 2nd leg at the NSS being very hopeful indeed of achieving that aim, what was he supposed to do? The situation is as stated by waihekeaces1 above - end of story! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 As for who was available and prepared to come - only Mr. J Cook knows the answers. He told the fans after heat 4 of the Swindon meeting that he had plans to cover AJ depending on the opposition in the semi finals, and all would be revealed the following Monday. Subsequently, a mystery Polish rider had been spoken to ... but this was shelved because AJ had made a rapid recovery and could well be available for the 2nd leg at Belle Vue. Apparently, if the mystery Polish rider rode in the first leg we would have hd to ride him in the second leg! You couldn't make it up ... but Mr Cook can .. and he has.I meant to type after heat 14 not 4 ! I don't know about couldn't make it up but you have done a pretty good job of twisting the facts by throwing in some half truths and exaggerations as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 I don't know about couldn't make it up but you have done a pretty good job of twisting the facts by throwing in some half truths and exaggerations as usual."Oh, the sheer irony of it all!" Hope there's no stones in your glass house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Could someone who was there confirm from a programme who came last in heat 1 please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Could someone who was there confirm from a programme who came last in heat 1 please? Steve Worrall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Steve Worrall Weren't you at the wrong meeting? Shouldn't you have been at Poole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Weren't you at the wrong meeting? Shouldn't you have been at Poole? The sky coverage meant I was able to give the correct answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Could someone who was there confirm from a programme who came last in heat 1 please? I was there and as Stevebrum says it was Steve Worrall 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevtheRev Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 (edited) I don't know about couldn't make it up but you have done a pretty good job of twisting the facts by throwing in some half truths and exaggerations as usual. Don't think there was much twisting going on. Jon said that they were exploring several options, including this mystery polish rider who would really make us serious contenders. That was certainly my perception. However, with the supposed AJ situation that changed. If that was the first time we have been told something, only for it to fail to materialise, then that is perfectly understandable. But it's not, we've been told of various plans over the last several years and none have come to fruition - backup for AJ, Changes will be made etc. On Monday, at his Heat 14 chat, we have been told that it's all change at Lakeside. Both on and off track. A complete revamp, of personnel and riders, that will take the club forward, plus a new track in 3 or 4 years time, hopefully. So let's wait and see what he delivers this time!!! Edited September 25, 2016 by KevtheRev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 (edited) Don't think there was much twisting going on. Jon said that they were exploring several options, including this mystery polish rider who would really make us serious contenders. That was certainly my perception. However, with the supposed AJ situation that changed. If that was the first time we have been told something, only for it to fail to materialise, then that is perfectly understandable. But it's not, we've been told of various plans over the last several years and none have come to fruition - backup for AJ, Changes will be made etc. On Monday, at his Heat 14 chat, we have been told that it's all change at Lakeside. Both on and off track. A complete revamp, of personnel and riders, that will take the club forward, plus a new track in 3 or 4 years time, hopefully. So let's wait and see what he delivers this time!!! Its not in dispute that Jon Cook has said several things over the years that have not come to fruition, and some of those things would have been better left unsaid. However , I don't think its in dispute either that Old Bob at Herne Bay is always over-egging the pudding when it comes to jumping in with his attempts at sarcasm. That's why among a lot of Lakeside fans he is known as Old Knob at Herne Bay . The point is that when you go round criticising others you need to be accurate yourself. As Bryn has already pointed out nothing was said about AJ making a "rapid" recovery. That was something O.B. made up himself. Criticism is fine but it needs to be fair. I think what people are choosing to ignore is that yesterday was effectively AJ's home GP and he would have all his sponsors there and would naturally want to put on a good show for them especially with next year in mind, so of course he would be moving heaven and earth to try to get fit, but as we now know he didn't make it . Nothing was ever said by Cook or anyone else about a rapid recovery though.. I agree he said something about a complete revamp though, but I wouldn't stake my life on it happening, and if it did I am not sure it would necessarily be for the better. Hope it doesn't mean Paul Hurry coming in as team manager after last Wednesdays shambles. Kelvin needs to stay IMO. Edited September 25, 2016 by E I Addio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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