Starman2006 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Maybe Shovlar actually has a point, I remember him riding for BV and being awful, maybe these meetings have been taken into account? One more meeting for BV and he would have had a 4.15 average. Yeh Steves got a point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poole Quay 7 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Glad you are embarrassed. I think you will find that I was referring to Poole Speedway since I don't recall any supporters being named in the team. Was it 8-10 times? Best add another one to that - CHEATING SCUMBAGS! If the cap fits... The most predicable reply from Mr Angry ( who of course will deny it in his usual way ) I'm embarrassed for you because I seem to remember you worked as a teacher? ( forgive me if I'm wrong ) and I wonder how they would think with you making such a spectacle of yourself on a public forum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 The most predicable reply from Mr Angry ( who of course will deny it in his usual way ) I'm embarrassed for you because I seem to remember you worked as a teacher? ( forgive me if I'm wrong ) and I wonder how they would think with you making such a spectacle of yourself on a public forum... A teacher Nope. Looks like I've touched a nerve - lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 A teacher Nope. A bore then.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 One more meeting for BV and he would have had a 4.15 average. Yeh Steves got a point... Not really,because he didn't do that one meeting he needed to get a new average,so it stayed at his original average.Just like all the other riders who didn't complete 12 meetings.Those were how they done the averages back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Not really,because he didn't do that one meeting he needed to get a new average,so it stayed at his original average.Just like all the other riders who didn't complete 12 meetings.Those were how they done the averages back then. I know that, just making the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poole Quay 7 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) A teacher Nope. Looks like I've touched a nerve - lol You are incapable of touching my nerves thank you!.... Thank goodness you are not a teacher for the good sake of the children/students. I thought I remember you talking about working in a school or some form of educational job? ...On reflection who cares what you personally get up to but you are still an embarrassment on this forum. However if you want to carry on with the attention seeking ( and of course you will ) then please do so. Edited September 18, 2016 by Poole Quay 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Tbf to take an average from 10 years ago would have been utterly ridiculous.An assessed average is logical. The issue is how was 7 arrived at? By any measure you would expect lindback -or any comparable rider - to be assessed higher. Look at the riders in the EL averaging around 7 - none are near his calibre. 7.5 or 8 would both have been reasonable. 7 I'd ludicrous, and I don't blame poole I blame whoever approved this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) Tbf to take an average from 10 years ago would have been utterly ridiculous.An assessed average is logical. The issue is how was 7 arrived at? By any measure you would expect lindback -or any comparable rider - to be assessed higher. You would think so, but if it wasn't approved then Matt wouldn't have followed it up. There must be a genuine reason for it.. Edited September 18, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Not really,because he didn't do that one meeting he needed to get a new average,so it stayed at his original average.Just like all the other riders who didn't complete 12 meetings.Those were how they done the averages back then.What is the 6.34 Shovvy refers to? Is it what he actually averaged over 11 meetings, or a rolling average which would have become official had he ridden one more meeting. And then how does the 4.15 fit in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) You would think so, but if it wasn't approved then Matt wouldn't have followed it up. There must be a genuine reason for it..Ford obviously applied in the hopes of getting the average reduced to below Andersen's. I'm not sure how you know he wouldn't have pursued it had his application been refused. As for genuine reasons for the assessment yes, obviously there were reasons, whether they were genuine reasons we don't know. It is difficult for most of us to understand the rationale behind it and it looks to me that they knew how ridiculous it would look and so tried to justify it by apparently mentioning other riders that most would expect to be assessed higher than 7. Of course they were aware of the fact that no other team was in a position to sign any of those other riders. Edited September 18, 2016 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) Ford obviously applied in the hopes of getting the average reduced to below Andersen's. I'm not sure how you know he wouldn't have pursued it had his application been refused. As for genuine reasons for the assessment yes, obviously there were reasons, Because he would probably had gone with guests which is not an ideal situation. As for the reason nobodys knows. Edited September 18, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) The 6.34 was from his time at Belle Vue. The bspa have taken the 6.34 from 11 meetings. Some bv fan will surely have the stats from the time he was with them. Edited September 18, 2016 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 The 6.34 was from his time at Belle Vue. The bspa have taken the 6.34 from 11 meetings. Some bv fan will surely have the stats from the time he was with them. Thought he averaged under 5 for bv? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 What is the 6.34 Shovvy refers to? Is it what he actually averaged over 11 meetings, or a rolling average which would have become official had he ridden one more meeting. And then how does the 4.15 fit in? I know the 4.15 he gained for 3h and 3a matches this was only used for team positioning and facilities.I assume the 6.34 SS is on about he must have had from 11 matches.But as he didn't do the 12th he didn't gain the new average. I agree with you anyway that the average from 10 years ago shouldn't be used.He is alot better rider now and should be assessed to an 8 imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) Thought he averaged under 5 for bv? I have been told from a very reliable source his average was altered from 6.34 from 11 meetings to 7. Edited September 18, 2016 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonA303 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 The World Champion has just come back to the EL on an average of just over 7. The other British rider in SGP is around 6.7. Is 7 really unreasonable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 The World Champion has just come back to the EL on an average of just over 7. The other British rider in SGP is around 6.7. Is 7 really unreasonable! If you are going by the SGP's he is ahead of 5 riders(in GPs) who currently ride in the EL,but only Harris now has a lower EL average than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 The World Champion has just come back to the EL on an average of just over 7. The other British rider in SGP is around 6.7. Is 7 really unreasonable! But tai's was a "real" average. Anything more than 2 years old I would have argued should be re assessed in which case I would have said tai should be an 8.For lindback his elitseren average I would argue should have been the benchmark.but whatever benchmark he is clearly more than 0.3 better than harris. Lindgren, zagar etc. would be suitable benchmarks. Bit surely whatever criteria were used should have been set at the start of the season? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 But tai's was a "real" average. Anything more than 2 years old I would have argued should be re assessed in which case I would have said tai should be an 8. For lindback his elitseren average I would argue should have been the benchmark.but whatever benchmark he is clearly more than 0.3 better than harris. Lindgren, zagar etc. would be suitable benchmarks. Bit surely whatever criteria were used should have been set at the start of the season? Should have re-assessed him as a new foreigner imo.And they are meant to take into account how they are doing in the Polish/Swedish league and i think the Danish league too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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