Poole Sign Lindback

[Daniel Smith]

Can see why people are upset but Poole have done everything by the book.

These issues are with the BSPA and nobody else.

[bellevueace]

I know injuries loss of form play a part but im happy Belle Vue are finishing the season with the same seven riders they started with, it would have been easy to replace Joe early doors for example but we stuck with him and he turned it round. It might cost us in the play off but im glad we stuck to our principles rather than bring in a ringer for the business end of the season.

Edited September 16, 2016 by bellevueace

[Halifaxtiger]

Not really ..this happens every season some kind of decision works out if there favour ....so it's no wonder people aim there bullets at Poole as they can't understand how it always happens . Not sure why and how they keep calling it a loophole .

 

I am not totally sure you are right about every season but all Poole can be accused of is trying it on. I suppose that is reason to throw some words in their direction but surely the person (or persons) most at fault is the one that allows them to succeed ?

[Odds On]

once again the sport nails another nail in the coffin, wake up Poole and the rest of the BSPA you are killing our sport.

[Halifaxtiger]

To say Poole has cheated is ridiculous. The problem is a sport where big decisions (such as assessed averages) are left in the hands of any one person. Such decisions must be made transparently and based upon a fixed set of rules. No exceptions.

 

And its one person who is almost certainly an interested party (to a greater or lesser degree) and who is never named.

 

In other words, prejudiced and irresponsible.

 

That's no way to make decisions.

[Pinny]

The only thing dubious is Lindbacks new average.

 

Andersens hand looks screwed to me, how on earth he planned on racing on with that injury is anyones guess.

[The Voice Of Reason]

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of Lindbach's average, his signing demonstrates that Ford still nurtures this 'must win at all costs' mentality.

 

Whether that's right of wrong is up to individuals to decide.

 

Suffice to say that in my own view, the euphoria around his inclusion at this late stage by 'the blue rinse brigade' really does leave me somewhat gobsmacked.

 

- Can you honestly feel any sense of achievement; bringing into your team a 'mercenary' that has not bothered riding for you for many years; and has done nothing whatsoever throughout the 2016 to contribute towards your current position?

 

- Does winning the league title yet again really mean so much to you?

 

Undoubtedly, the answer to these two questions from the South Coast are probably 'Yes'.

 

How very sad - not only from a speedway supporters' perspective; but possibly a true reflection upon the values that you adopt in life generally.

 

Nothing against Antonio as he's an exciting rider. But any subsequent wins that you achieve with his recent inclusion would, for me anyway, have the depth of a grain of sand.

 

With every best wish to Belle Vue for the 2016 title. YOU have earned it.

Edited September 16, 2016 by The Voice Of Reason

[marko]

Trying to look at this as neutrally as I can, the argument is all about averages in a league where by through sheer incompetence of those who run the sport the averages of most if not all the riders are heavily skewed in the first place because of an ill conceived heat format, at this stage I couldn't care less if Antonio comes in on a three point average.

[Steve Shovlar]

It's not a big one. Wolves don't have access on a Wednesday anyway so shouldnt be a big issue at all so absolutely the right thing.

As for the question I asked..., would you be happy if Belle Vue signed Emil on a 7 or Dudek on 6.5 to replace Fricke? ..

 

It is a big one. If Matt Ford said Poole are going to ride second, what will Woves do? Wolves would not have been able to fulfill their obligations and therefore the semi would be over one leg only. Matt Ford to the rescue of Wolves. And people have called him a cheat? Wolves fans should be applauding his very sporting behaviour here. I know the Wolverhampton management are grateful to MF for helping them out of a big hole.

 

As for bv signing a replacement, it was their rider that caused all this in the first place!

 

I'm sure Poole haven't broken any rules but this is ridiculous. By the very nature of the sport most riders will be carrying some sort of injury by this time of year and could get signed off. What is the point of a transfer deadline if you can replace an injured rider. That loophole needs closing ASAP. Riding in the playoffs without riding in even one league meeting is way outside the spirit of the rules.

Congratulations to Poole for once again finding the loophole and driving a double decker bus through it.

 

The rules were changed so this could happen. Poole lost the services of Darcy Ward and Pawlicki just before the playoffs and were unable to properly cover for him, in one case gifting Swindon an easy final. Now sensibly the rules have changed allowing an injury replacement.

 

Great post, Arnie.

 

Poole haven't cheated, they have followed the rules.

 

But to allow a current GP rider to have his average reduced when he is quite clearly a better performer than before is surely wrong.

 

Those directing their ire at Poole are aiming their bullets in the wrong direction.

 

They certainly are but Lindback is going to find it hard to be hitting the ground running. Hancock on his return wasn't banging in big scores.

 

 

 

Han's injury looks to me like a brawlers break - IE it's not even on the main two knuckles which a boxer would be likely to injure (Brawlers so called I believe because it's the result of punching incorrectly).

 

How on earth he's going to be riding next week is beyond me, as it's a paticularly painful and nasty one. Matt Ford has history and I believe he'll cheat if he thinks he'll get away with it, but in this case there's no way I'd be happy with someone in my team with that injury.

 

Lets see the rules set up for next season to avoid this kind of controversy (Buster?), but in the meantime for a neutral like me I'm going to sit back and enjoy the cream of world speedway battling it out.

 

The rules were recently changed to allow injury replacement so teams didn't have to go into the playoffs weakened.

 

Andersen has withdrawn from the SEC - Twitter announcement from him.

Of dear there goes all the conspiracy theories. It was a genuine injury after all and Hans season is over. No cheating from Poole whatsoever leaving egg on all the Poole haters faces.

 

Expect page after page of apologies now from the anti Poole brigade as Poole have not cheated at all but followed the rules in place.

[Pirates Of Poole]

Lucky Matt did agree to staging the first leg! And as for BV singing Dudek on a 7 the rules allow it so yes I would not have a problem with it.

 

It's not a big one. Wolves don't have access on a Wednesday anyway so shouldnt be a big issue at all so absolutely the right thing.

 

As for the question I asked..., would you be happy if Belle Vue signed Emil on a 7 or Dudek on 6.5 to replace Fricke? ..

[Halifaxtiger]

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of Lindbach's average, his signing demonstrates that Ford still nurtures this 'must win at all costs' mentality.

 

Whether that's right of wrong is up to individuals to decide.

 

Suffice to say that in my own view, the euphoria around his inclusion at this late stage by 'the blue rinse brigade' really does leave me somewhat gobsmacked.

 

- Can you honestly feel any sense of achievement; bringing into your team a 'mercenary' that has not bothered riding for you for many years; and has done nothing whatsoever throughout the 2016 to contribute towards your current position?

 

- Does winning the league title yet again really mean so much to you?

 

Undoubtedly, the answer to these two questions from the South Coast are probably 'Yes'.

 

How very sad - not only from a speedway supporters' perspective; but possibly a true reflection upon the values that you adopt in life generally.

 

Nothing against Antonio as he's an exciting rider. But any subsequent wins that you achieve with his recent inclusion would, for me anyway, have the depth of a grain of sand.

 

With every best wish to Belle Vue for the 2016 title. YOU have earned it.

 

I disagree.

 

I think every Poole fan will be delighted in no different way than every Wolverhampton one was when Woffinden signed or every Belle Vue one would be if, to use Stevebrum's example, Sajfutdinov replaced Fricke.

 

In truth, every fan in the country would be ecstatic if their team strengthened up before the play offs or any other big meeting and furious if that chance was spurned.

 

Winning the league title means a great deal and any promoter who had the chance to improve his team but did not do so would be an imbecile.

 

This is not really about Poole, Matt Ford or Poole supporters. Its about a dreadful ruling that allows a GP rider of considerable ability to have his average reduced and thus fit in.

[Odds On]

Poole fans, you really need to wake up and smell the coffee, if you cannot see that this is another nail in the speedway coffin then you are more deluded than I feared.

[Grachan]

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of Lindbach's average, his signing demonstrates that Ford still nurtures this 'must win at all costs' mentality.

 

Whether that's right of wrong is up to individuals to decide.

 

Suffice to say that in my own view, the euphoria around his inclusion at this late stage by 'the blue rinse brigade' really does leave me somewhat gobsmacked.

 

- Can you honestly feel any sense of achievement; bringing into your team a 'mercenary' that has not bothered riding for you for many years; and has done nothing whatsoever throughout the 2016 to contribute towards your current position?

 

- Does winning the league title yet again really mean so much to you?

 

Undoubtedly, the answer to these two questions from the South Coast are probably 'Yes'.

 

How very sad - not only from a speedway supporters' perspective; but possibly a true reflection upon the values that you adopt in life generally.

 

Nothing against Antonio as he's an exciting rider. But any subsequent wins that you achieve with his recent inclusion would, for me anyway, have the depth of a grain of sand.

 

With every best wish to Belle Vue for the 2016 title. YOU have earned it.

 

Would that not be the same if they had used a guest?

[Steve Shovlar]

I am not totally sure you are right about every season but all Poole can be accused of is trying it on. I suppose that is reason to throw some words in their direction but surely the person (or persons) most at fault is the one that allows them to succeed ?

 

Trying what on? Andersen is out for the season so Poole need to get a replacement in. Who should they get in the list of riders that fit and are willing to ride? Common sense would say the best they can get. And even better Lindback is a Poole asset. No brainer.

 

The only thing dubious is Lindbacks new average.

Andersens hand looks screwed to me, how on earth he planned on racing on with that injury is anyones guess.

He can't he is out. Poole didn't decide Lindbacks average. MF is not on the MC.

 

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of Lindbach's average, his signing demonstrates that Ford stil nurtures this 'must win at all costs' mentality.

Whether that's right of wrong is up to individuals to decide.

Suffice to say that in my own view, the euphoria around his inclusion at this late stage by 'the blue rinse brigade' really does leave me somewhat gobsmacked.

- Can you honestly feel any sense of achievement; bringing into your team a 'mercenary' that has not bothered riding for you for many years; and has done nothing whatsoever throughout the 2016 to contribute towards your current position?

- Does winning the league title yet again really mean so much to you?

Sadly, the answer to these two questions from the South Coast are probably 'Yes'.

How very sad - not only from a speedway supporters' perspective; but possibly a sad indictment upon the values that you adopt in life generally.

Nothing against Antonio as he's an exciting rider. But any subsequent wins that you achieve with his recent inclusion would, for me anyway, have the depth of a grain of sand.

With every best wish to Belle Vue for the 2016 title. YOU have earned it.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of Woffindens average, his signing demonstrates that Van Straaten stil nurtures this 'must win at all costs' mentality.

Whether that's right of wrong is up to individuals to decide.

Suffice to say that in my own view, the euphoria around his inclusion at this late stage by 'the gold rinse brigade' really does leave me somewhat gobsmacked.

- Can you honestly feel any sense of achievement; bringing into your team a 'mercenary' that has not bothered riding for you for a couple of years; and has done nothing whatsoever throughout the 2016 to contribute towards your current position?

- Does winning the league title really mean so much to you?

Sadly, the answer to these two questions from the Midlands are probably 'Yes'.

How very sad - not only from a speedway supporters' perspective; but possibly a sad indictment upon the values that you adopt in life generally.

Nothing against Tai as he's an exciting rider. But any subsequent wins that you achieve with his recent inclusion would, for me anyway, have the depth of a grain of sand.

 

 

Lol. Funny how we didn't read a post like this from you when Wolves chopped out Kylmakorpi for the world champion recently, after Woffinden ran out of meetings abroad. But your hatred of all things Poole goes back years.

 

This is a sport. Of course we have a win at all costs mentality! In it to win it! There would be no point otherwise!

 

And regardless of this injury to Hans and Antonio answering a call, Belle Vue are still favourites for the title and Poole will really struggle to make the final.

[Grachan]

Baffling as it is that Lindback has been reassessed at 7, people need to keep some perspective here. Poole are bringing someone in to replace an injured rider. Full stop. No issue.

 

I reckon Matt Ford might have used a bit of persuasion to get Lindback at 7, but so he should. He's trying to get someone into his side. He was probably as surprised as anyone else when whoever decides the averages actually agreed!

[Woz01]

How did Lindback do at Wolves previously? Would still be a close 2 legs if indeed Poole face Wolves.

[Steve Shovlar]

Baffling as it is that Lindback has been reassessed at 7, people need to keep some perspective here. Poole are bringing someone in to replace an injured rider. Full stop. No issue.

 

I reckon Matt Ford might have used a bit of persuasion to get Lindback at 7, but so he should. He's trying to get someone into his side. He was probably as surprised as anyone else when whoever decides the averages actually agreed!

A voice of reason.

 

End of the day the injury is genuine, occurred at Leicester, the riders season is over and we needed a replacement. Lindback fits and even better is a Poole asset.

 

Interestingly when the news broke yesterday, it was also mentioned that Zmarzlik, Vaculik, Dudek and Laguta have all been given the same average as Lindback. So next season we could be seeing these riders starting in the uk, if a deal can be reached, on a 7.

[Halifaxtiger]

 

 

Trying what on? Andersen is out for the season so Poole need to get a replacement in. Who should they get in the list of riders that fit and are willing to ride? Common sense would say the best they can get. And even better Lindback is a Poole asset. No brainer.

 

 

 

I would have thought that was rather obvious.

 

Attempting to get a rider in whose current (albeit dated) is way above Andersen's and who is of current GP standard by having that average reduced. To me, that's trying it on big time and should unquestionably have been refused.

 

I doubt that there is anyone outside the south coast (and probably quite a few inside it) who believes that the decision to allow that reduction is either reasonable or justifiable.

[BurntFaceMan]

Hans Andersen has pulled out of the SEC. He clearly has a very genuine and very painful injury. It is ludicrous to think he would be able to ride in his condition.

The fact of the matter is that Poole have an injured rider and they have replaced him within the rules of the sport. Poole have clearly applied for Antonio Lindback's average to be reassessed and it was.

Stop crying cheats, stop blaming Poole and their fans, and start blaming those who make the rules and those who assess the averages in complete secret.

 

You are not angry with Poole, you are angry at the lack of transparency within the sport, and the fact that Poole is making a better fist of it.

[stevebrum]

It is a big one. If Matt Ford said Poole are going to ride second, what will Woves do? Wolves would not have been able to fulfill their obligations and therefore the semi would be over one leg only. Matt Ford to the rescue of Wolves. And people have called him a cheat? Wolves fans should be applauding his very sporting behaviour here. I know the Wolverhampton management are grateful to MF for helping them out of a big hole.

As for bv signing a replacement, it was their rider that caused all this in the first place!

 

 

 

it's only a big one because you claim it would only be a one leg semi if Poole didn't agree.

its convenient to forget tho that Wednesday isn't a Wolves race night so was never an option. As stated of Poole refused to race the first leg then I'm sure in fairness of all things speedway that the BSPA often use they would force Poole to race the 1st leg on Wednesday.

nothing major to see here.

 

Lucky Matt did agree to staging the first leg! And as for BV singing Dudek on a 7 the rules allow it so yes I would not have a problem with it.

No luck involved POP, it's the sensible outcome.

Hopefully seeing as the rules are deemed 'fair' on averages people can stop whinging about Tai coming in on his true average seeing as he was over this imaginary 7 point average. (Not a pop at you by the way, just those calling Tai a ringer)

 

Just to add I am delighted to see Lindback back in British Speedway and it's clear Hans is unable to race which caused the whole replacement issue in the first place.

Riders being assessed or re-assessed on a 7 for me is as wrong as when new young foreigners were assessed on a 4. If those are the new rules then there is no biggie. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

Edited September 16, 2016 by stevebrum