sparks123 Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 If only Ipswich were as forward thinking as Berwick and had track covers allowing that meeting to go ahead and all this nonsense would be resolved! Berwick might have had their team changed before 1st May if the opening matches with Ipswich were league matches instead of KOC matches. Remind me again who Glasgow race in the quarter final's (the round Berwick had to race by the 1st April). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 If only Ipswich were as forward thinking as Berwick and had track covers allowing that meeting to go ahead and all this nonsense would be resolved!Not even covers can save a track from 'The Havelock Effect' though!! 🚿🚿🚿🚿🚿🚿🚿🚿🚿🚿🚿🚿🚿🚿🚿🚿🚿🚿 whoops too much 😛😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 Okay excuse my ignorance but why should Gappmaier's average be changed when he has not done the required amount of meetings. (7 Matches) Â Something to do with a mickey mouse outfit running the sport in this country making things up as they go along assessing averages to riders who have not ridden 4h & 4a. Â There incompetence is staggering next they will be assessing riders to a 13 point average , oh wait. It's nothing to do with Mickey Mouse or incompetence. The rules say that when a team declares the BSPA will give any riders who don't already have a new average a new average. This rule has been invoked a few times, Poole were stopped in 2009 and Coventry were also stopped the same season. Coventry because Jordan Frampton had raced 1 meeting short due to riding for his PL club Newport so the BSPA said he had to be used on his 5.5 average from the meeting he had completed not his sub 4 from the start of the season. There have been other times it's been used. Â What would be Mickey Mouse and incompetent would be to allow a team to break the rules, right? Â Â Scunny average at the start of the season 39.27. They put a rider in who is 1.53 higher than the rider being replaced because of only 3 riders gaining an average (If you add 0.3 for Josh and 0.32 for Lewis and 0.1 for Josh they wouldn't be able to fit Nielsen in). Â Ipswich put a rider in who has a higher average than Nico so not a like for like change. Cameron Heeps didn't have the 2.06 added to his average or Danyon have the 2.57 added to his average. Â Not sure why Berwick team is causing such a stir while other teams are doing exactly the same and people think it's ok for them and not for Berwick. Scunny had Douglas and Wilkinsons averages drop enough that they were able to sign Stef Nielsen. Nobody is saying Berwick can't strengthen up in the same way. Â Ipswich as a team had not at the time completed 4 home and 4 away and so the rule about the BSPA using average of riders who had not done 4 home and 4 away didn't count (which IMO is stupid. But rules are rules) so we able to replace Covatti with the slightly higher Sedgmen as they had a little bit left over under the 40 point limit. Â Berwick are causing a stir as they can't make these changes according to the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 It's nothing to do with Mickey Mouse or incompetence. The rules say that when a team declares the BSPA will give any riders who don't already have a new average a new average. This rule has been invoked a few times, Poole were stopped in 2009 and Coventry were also stopped the same season. Coventry because Jordan Frampton had raced 1 meeting short due to riding for his PL club Newport so the BSPA said he had to be used on his 5.5 average from the meeting he had completed not his sub 4 from the start of the season. There have been other times it's been used. Â What would be Mickey Mouse and incompetent would be to allow a team to break the rules, right? Â Â Â Scunny had Douglas and Wilkinsons averages drop enough that they were able to sign Stef Nielsen. Nobody is saying Berwick can't strengthen up in the same way. Â Ipswich as a team had not at the time completed 4 home and 4 away and so the rule about the BSPA using average of riders who had not done 4 home and 4 away didn't count (which IMO is stupid. But rules are rules) so we able to replace Covatti with the slightly higher Sedgmen as they had a little bit left over under the 40 point limit. Â Berwick are causing a stir as they can't make these changes according to the rules. Okay let's look at it another way then, is David howes average little to high then 6.72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 Okay let's look at it another way then, is David howes average little to high then 6.72 No. Because thats the average he achieved last time he was racing. In a slightly harder league too tbf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 Seems no difference between scunny and berwick to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks123 Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 (edited) Seems no difference between scunny and berwick to me Berwick had to race KOC matches and Scunny didn't so they completed their matches before Berwick. If Berwick have to have riders re-assessed after 1st May then so should Ipswich (no matter how many matches you have raced). Cameron Heeps has raced 7 matches the same as Danny. Edited May 8, 2017 by sparks123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 Berwick had to race KOC matches and Scunny didn't so they completed their matches before Berwick. If Berwick have to have riders re-assessed after 1st May then so should Ipswich (no matter how many matches you have raced). Cameron Heeps has raced 7 matches the same as Danny. That couldve suited Ipswich better. No Sedge perhaps but someone like Batchelor or Porsing would fit for Nicos revised figure and Sarj couldve come in for Danyon if both of their figures were invoked.  Instead we have effectively had to shed 2 points from the true average of our team.  But we are not bleating about it. We are getting on and signing the best we can within the current rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 That couldve suited Ipswich better. Â No Sedge perhaps but someone like Batchelor or Porsing would fit for Nicos revised figure and Sarj couldve come in for Danyon if both of their figures were invoked. Â Instead we have effectively had to shed 2 points from the true average of our team. Â But we are not bleating about it. We are getting on and signing the best we can within the current rules. As are we as it states the MC can alter Dany's average not that they will/will not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 As are we as it states the MC can alter Dany's average not that they will/will notTotally agree and Ive stated at least twice that I can see why it has been. I think where the problem lies with debates like this is that human nature dictates that people link their view to how it affects their team this time and not what is right/fair regardless of when or who it affects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 If only Ipswich were as forward thinking as Berwick and had track covers allowing that meeting to go ahead and all this nonsense would be resolved!Berwick would not get David Howe then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Max Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 As are we as it states the MC can alter Dany's average not that they will/will not  and if they did in this case and not another, or vice versa it just causes uproar and accusations of prejudice - madness to have a rule stating MC could/may/might implement something - of course always in the best interests of the sport!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted May 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 Don't know what all the fuss is about, not exactly strengthened the team, Howe and Morris are only like for like with Vissing and Berge, and Etheridge weakens the team at No 2, Payne is not a massive step up either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havenagotahope Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 Knowing Dennis Mac would be fairly heavily involved in David Howe's paperwork I would be very surprised if this does not stand as is. Can't see the club making an announcement if not been ratified first by BSPA unless someone has jumped the gun. As said earlier surprised no input from the Crescent Girlie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyvalleywoolerman Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 Bandits have Dennis and others who have been doing this stuff for decades and will be guiding the enthusiasm of the new ownders wisely so it will be approved and if it isnt will be evidence yet again of the powers that be not caring if Bandits live or die. The new BSPA have a lot to answer for in scrapping rolling averages which were brought it to stop riders getting instant averages and creating this sort of circumstance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 As said earlier surprised no input from the Crescent Girlie. Â Can't a lady have a holiday? Back now -- what's been happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 Has it been cleared or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havenagotahope Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017  Can't a lady have a holiday? Back now -- what's been happening? Missed ya man  Can't a lady have a holiday? Back now -- what's been happening? Missed ya man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 Don't know what all the fuss is about, not exactly strengthened the team, Howe and Morris are only like for like with Vissing and Berge, and Etheridge weakens the team at No 2, Payne is not a massive step up either. Like for like ? After 5 meetings Morris actually top of Swindon averages on GSA averages so more than adequate replacement for Vissing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted May 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 Like for like ? After 5 meetings Morris actually top of Swindon averages on GSA averages so more than adequate replacement for Vissing. Vissing was a good rider, but had a rubbish attitude, was capable of scoring double figures on a regular basis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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