Shale Searcher Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Watched this meeting last night, thought it was an excellent advert for the Elite League.... However, when riders are under starters orders (green light on) they have to sit still, but last night I noticed that particularly Rohan Tungate manages to have his rear wheel spinning before the tapes went up, surely this gives him a distinct advantage when the tapes do rise....? Should this be allowed? I have seen this practice before, but not to this extent and frequency... Thoughts please from the good people of the British Speedway Forum.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmon Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 The spinning of the rear wheel is not allowed. The bike has to be stationary and the rear wheel in contact with the track surface. A spinning wheel would cause motion if in contact with surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 The spinning of the rear wheel is not allowed. The bike has to be stationary and the rear wheel in contact with the track surface. A spinning wheel would cause motion if in contact with surface. Not if the bike is slightly leaned to one side- Chris Neath if I remember right was a master of it with a Edinburgh rider- who I can`t remember also expert at doing it and more importantly getting away with it !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Not if the bike is slightly leaned to one side- Chris Neath if I remember right was a master of it with a Edinburgh rider- who I can`t remember also expert at doing it and more importantly getting away with it !!!!Derek Sneddon was the Edinburgh rider I seem to recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Derek Sneddon was the Edinburgh rider I seem to recall. That`s him- a master of cheating !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 So why do you think the ref did nothing about it last night......? Didn't see it? Saw it, chose to ignore it? Didn't know about the rule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 So why do you think the ref did nothing about it last night......? Didn't see it? Saw it, chose to ignore it? Didn't know about the rule? Didn`t see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Didn`t see it Did you see it R & R? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Didn`t see itI was not looking out for it ,but now that you mention it Tungate snaked of the start line in one race which I though was odd at the time the way it happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Did you see it R & R? I never used to see it all those years ago so no !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I saw it, does Rohan always do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Derek used to regularly get pulled up for it. He used to get away with it in gates 1, 2, and 3, but the ref can see you better when you are in gate 4. The technical point was that the bike is not moving at the start, which was thought to be the salient point. But it was considered as cheating and seemed to have disappeared since Derek's retirement, till now with Tungate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I noticed it whilst watching live and was surprised it was not clamped down on. Ive seen it a few times from Rohan in his stint with the Witches along with a fair few opposing riders so dont think it is an isolated incident. I seem to remember a claim that it was not the wheel spinning rather just the disc (cant remember from who). Not sure if this us even feasible??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Someone was doing it in the GP's not too long ago, couple of years probably, could've been Bjerre, unsure but definitely remember it being picked up in commentary. Perhaps it happens late on in the meetings when there's a fair old channel worn into the surface from earlier rides, this would drop the chassis of the bike closer to the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted September 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Tungate did it all night, and I am sure I have seen it when he's guested recently elsewhere.... I thought it was classed as "moving" at the start.... And it's impossible to spin the disc and not rotate the rear wheel, but you can do the opposite, have the disc static, and wheel/tyre rotate.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinkox Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Would you have to modify the footrest to be lower and stiffer?? - or the bike would be at quit an awkward angle at the start... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCB Wildcat Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 I only just seen this thread but yes I noticed it too. When Buczkowski went through the tapes in heat 3 Tungates back wheel was spinning the whole time and he was creeping forward long before either Buczkowski or Cook moved. I was surprised nothing was said at the time with all the replays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted September 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 So, is it within the rules or not? I believe it most definitely should not be allowed, if nothing else, it's tyre warming!! Ok, that's not allowed or is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Here is one of the start procedure rules - "15.2.8 The Start Marshal, shall bring the riders to the Starting Gate, in the order as determined by their gate position, ie. a, b, c then d, ensuring all parts of the motorcycle and rider’s limbs are within the marked Grid (nb. lines are neutral and do not form part of the Grid), with the front wheel spindle being directly above the 430mm gridline and when satisfied the riders are correctly positioned, that their motorcycles are stationary and the rear wheel is in contact with the track surface, s/he shall signal to the Referee to illuminate the Green Start light and walk well clear to the rear of all motorcycles." I would suggest that for the rear wheel to be in contact with the track surface and the bike to be stationary, the rear wheel can't be spinning. I can't see how there is a way to spin the rear wheel, keep it in contact with the track surface and have the bike remain stationary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted September 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Well, it's known as tyre warming!! Thought that was outlawed? At the start line at least!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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