Newcastle 2017

[Dandelion]

In a Utopian World you would be right - but - sadly this is not Utopia.................... :sad:

But we're not helping it, I know it'd cost a lot of money to have big riders, but we could still make steps towards having them, like not limiting the teams to 40...

 

Don't want to burst your bubble Dandelion but Richie will be a shoe in on a return north of the border next season as long as he wants it.

 

Plenty of choice to partner Steve, or maybe Steve might fancy riding with his twin brother further north now there's a thought .

I know, but I can live in hope until Glasgow announce him!!

 

NOOO!!! Don't even joke about that

Dandelion wrote:

 

"i think we focus too much on bringing on youth riders to help team GB and don't focus enough on making entertaining league racing so that clubs can survive and make profits... Just my opinion of course"

 

Mine as well, Danders me old pal. But I think you'll find that bringing on British talent is a cloak for cutting costs...

Yep, I think so too...

 

Announced at redcar last night first Newcastle match is week on Sunday 3rd sept.

 

Perks is away so rr for him

Thank god Perks is missing, gives us an advantage!!

How about 3 out of these 4 in Diamonds kevlars next season?

 

https://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.33086 (courtesy of Youtube/Rye House)

Nicholls and Robson, yes please

Edited August 25, 2017 by Dandelion

[Tsunami]

Dandelion wrote:

 

"i think we focus too much on bringing on youth riders to help team GB and don't focus enough on making entertaining league racing so that clubs can survive and make profits... Just my opinion of course"

 

Mine as well, Danders me old pal. But I think you'll find that bringing on British talent is a cloak for cutting costs...

Not true. Essential to have reserved places to accelerate the number of youngsters coming into the sport and to reduce foreign riders and reduce the D/Uing. If the current level of D/Uing continues, most critics would be saying we should be encouraging the kids, which we are. Can't win can you.

[Big Diamond]

I have only been going speedway since 2000 but family have been long before and I never understood this idea developing youngsters is new. I got programme from my dad going back decades which suggest that is not the case some absolute dross seems rode back then. However strong core of British riders was important and still is its big reason for current problems, and league not taking themselves seriously with daft rules. Also putting up points limit sounds good, but it means more doubling up which fans also want rid of cant have both. I don't like it but reality is likes of Robert, Worrall twins, Cook, Bomber and many others miss meetings or don't ride in this league at all it needs decided in winter which is more important.

Edited August 25, 2017 by Big Diamond

[Tsunami]

I have only been going speedway since 2000 but family have been long before and I never understood this idea developing youngsters is new. I got programme from my dad going back decades which suggest that is not the case some absolute dross seems rode back then. However strong core of British riders was important and still is its big reason for current problems, and league not taking themselves seriously with daft rules. Also putting up points limit sounds good, but it means more doubling up which fans also want rid of cant have both. I don't like it but reality is likes of Robert, Worrall twins, Cook, Bomber and many others miss meetings or don't ride in this league at all it needs decided in winter which is more important.

It's not. In the early 00's there was the Conference League which was well as bringing in new riders, also reshuffled 'old hands' riders. The stream of young riders started to slow, and there was a reduction of CL teams. With the introduction of the British Youth Championships rounds, this is bringing in youngsters under 16 who have got a lot of racing behind them at different cc levels ending with the 500cc class. Unfortunately the poor foreigners were still being preferred for team places, so ideas like the Draft Riders initiative was introduced, so every team needed to have minimum requirement of youngsters who obviously the displaced the poor foreigner. The BYC has come on leaps and bounds and just last week at Belle Vue round 6 had the greatest number of riders in track than any other round before. The kids riding that day started at about 10 up to 16, and obviously the younger ones will need to progress through the cc classes until at 16 they are competative riding on a 500 in real races. It takes a number of years to get to say a second string position and many will not make it, but at least it is better than not tackling the problem and be at the mercy of other countries for their poor riders.

It may be cheaper to employ a couple of kids, but don't let people tell you that that is the main reason for giving them protected team spots. It is NOT.

[Terrace Grumbler]

Essential to have reserved places to accelerate the number of youngsters coming into the sport and to reduce foreign riders and reduce the D/Uing. If the current level of D/Uing continues, most critics would be saying we should be encouraging the kids, which we are. Can't win can you.

Fair points as ever - but I don't agree!

[Big Diamond]

It's not. In the early 00's there was the Conference League which was well as bringing in new riders, also reshuffled 'old hands' riders. The stream of young riders started to slow, and there was a reduction of CL teams. With the introduction of the British Youth Championships rounds, this is bringing in youngsters under 16 who have got a lot of racing behind them at different cc levels ending with the 500cc class. Unfortunately the poor foreigners were still being preferred for team places, so ideas like the Draft Riders initiative was introduced, so every team needed to have minimum requirement of youngsters who obviously the displaced the poor foreigner. The BYC has come on leaps and bounds and just last week at Belle Vue round 6 had the greatest number of riders in track than any other round before. The kids riding that day started at about 10 up to 16, and obviously the younger ones will need to progress through the cc classes until at 16 they are competative riding on a 500 in real races. It takes a number of years to get to say a second string position and many will not make it, but at least it is better than not tackling the problem and be at the mercy of other countries for their poor riders.

It may be cheaper to employ a couple of kids, but don't let people tell you that that is the main reason for giving them protected team spots. It is NOT.

I agree always support youngsters its the last thing I want to see changed of all the current rules. Plus our promotion have done their bit some good riders who used be 3.00 pointers for the Diamonds.

[Terrace Grumbler]

I agree always support youngsters its the last thing I want to see changed of all the current rules. Plus our promotion have done their bit some good riders who used be 3.00 pointers for the Diamonds.

Yes, but supporting youngsters need not equal having wobbling reserves. Sorry, but my view remains that second halfers are being passed off as professional speedway riders in the interests of enconomy.

[Big Diamond]

Yes, but supporting youngsters need not equal having wobbling reserves. Sorry, but my view remains that second halfers are being passed off as professional speedway riders in the interests of enconomy.

Yes they are but as I questioned before hasn't that always been the case seen programme cards and footage of riders bend behind that cant buy a point in 70s and 80s.

The first priority should be removing daft rules like tactical and select sides every week if not improving standard or points limit would achieve nothing long term.

[screm]

Congratulations to Robert Lambert on becoming the new European Under-21 Champion this afternoon.

[The White Knight]

Congratulations to Robert Lambert on becoming the new European Under-21 Champion this afternoon.

GETTIN!!!

 

Great News. :party:

 

Cheers screm.

[northyorksbear]

So why don't Newcastle have a facility for Lambert missing Sunday's meeting with Redcar?

[KEITH M]

So why don't Newcastle have a facility for Lambert missing Sunday's meeting with Redcar?

I think something along the lines of Polish clubs which make the play offs have first choice of the rider but b.s.p.a don't agree with it ... Another try and make sense of it if you can rule in speedway Edited August 31, 2017 by KEITH M

[ruffdiamond]

I think something along the lines of Polish clubs which make the play offs have first choice of the rider but b.s.p.a don't agree with it ... Another try and make sense of it if you can rule in speedway

you couldn't make it up.

[New era Panthers]

you couldn't make it up.

So how do they get the rites over British riders . Surely it must have been written into there contracts . Definitely needs sorting out BSPA should put there foot down and insist they ride for the bread and butter teams who they ride for all season.

[Fromafar]

British contracts have to be stronger,if they want to ride abroad fair enough but don't let them top up their wages here,they are not that important.

[StevePark]

So why don't Newcastle have a facility for Lambert missing Sunday's meeting with Redcar?

 

Website says (Copied and Pasted from there):

 

This unfortunate scenario is down to the priority of fixtures according to the International Speedway League Board so with the Newcastle club having no option other than to re-arrange fixtures to get caught up with a fixture backlog then scheduled fixtures take priority and Lambert will be in Poland for their end of season play offs.

 

Newcastle co-promoter Alan Hedley said, "We have to get these fixtures raced and this Sunday is an unfortunate consequence for us. Just to be clear we are not releasing Robert to go to Poland but the ISLB have given priority to his Polish club without any recompense to our club."

 

"The British authorities have tried to assist us but there is nothing in the current make-up of the rules which would ease our predicament."

[ruffdiamond]

So how do they get the rites over British riders . Surely it must have been written into there contracts . Definitely needs sorting out BSPA should put there foot down and insist they ride for the bread and butter teams who they ride for all season.

haven't got a clue how it works, or how other authorities get priority over Nationals.

TBH, imo, the statement out looks like nonsense and, the fact it says that Lambert is not being released makes it look more suspicious.

if he is not being released, will he not face some sort of ban ?

[StevePark]

haven't got a clue how it works, or how other authorities get priority over Nationals.

TBH, imo, the statement out looks like nonsense and, the fact it says that Lambert is not being released makes it look more suspicious.

if he is not being released, will he not face some sort of ban ?

 

No, as in the last line of the quote from Alan: "The British authorities have tried to assist us but there is nothing in the current make-up of the rules which would ease our predicament."

[Tsunami]

haven't got a clue how it works, or how other authorities get priority over Nationals.

TBH, imo, the statement out looks like nonsense and, the fact it says that Lambert is not being released makes it look more suspicious.

if he is not being released, will he not face some sort of ban ?

Why. Alan has said it is the ISBL that has declared the priority. Newcastle can only follow what the rules say.

[ruffdiamond]

No, as in the last line of the quote from Alan: "The British authorities have tried to assist us but there is nothing in the current make-up of the rules which would ease our predicament."

well thats good then.

so what will it be, r/r or 3pt NL ?