diamond@heart Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 (edited) If you read the Thread from the start there are quite few opinions, on that very subject, on here already PolybiusAL. Not being funny - hope this helps. Interesting name Polybius. A Greek Historian - I think. And a fictional 1980's computer arcade game, used by the US government allegedly!!!! Anyway. The team led by two up and coming young Brits 😉 looked like it could deliver silverware but so far has failed too. All Diamonds fans when the team was announced saw that we had a very long tail end and the hope was Phillips would kick on this year. Before his injury he was showing glimpses but never really looked like he was gonna be the rider we needed (in my opinion). Our achilles has once again been our shocking away form and inconsistency by some riders away from home. We still have the chance of silverware in the Cup!!! and the pairs and PLRC so not all is lost yet, except that elusive league title, 2018 maybe😉 Edited August 22, 2017 by diamond@heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted August 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Ben Hopwood, to me, has been the surprise of the season, he might not be the best or fastest rider, but the effort he shows and some of the passes he does make and how he defends his line, it's great to watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond@heart Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Ben Hopwood, to me, has been the surprise of the season, he might not be the best or fastest rider, but the effort he shows and some of the passes he does make and how he defends his line, it's great to watch Agree and I've been really impressed by Alfie, he's very raw but never gives up and I think he should be considered for next year. I find Ashley really frustrating, you can see the talent and determination but the scores just don't seem to come. He always has a bad first ride and it takes him a while to recover, excellent gater and so I think he should be scoring more, great to watch though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted August 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Agree and I've been really impressed by Alfie, he's very raw but never gives up and I think he should be considered for next year. I find Ashley really frustrating, you can see the talent and determination but the scores just don't seem to come. He always has a bad first ride and it takes him a while to recover, excellent gater and so I think he should be scoring more, great to watch though. I would definitely give Alfie a team spot next year, as long as he's partnered with a rider like Ashley, Danny Phillips and Alfie Bowtell, for example, would give us the same problems as this year!! I love Ashley, but as a reserve... I also love when he does win, he doesn't wheelie and show off, he gets the crowd pumped up and that's great for the atmosphere, I'd definitely keep him for next year 6. Ashley Morris 7. Alfie Bowtell, (a fit) Danny Phillips??? I feel bad for Hopwood, but I feel that he will be a victim of his own success, the fact he's not a 2.00 rider may freeze him out of a team spot for next year... I hope not... Edited August 23, 2017 by Dandelion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ren Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Unless the points limit goes up for next season I think we'd have to chose between Robert and Stevie for number one build a more strength in depth side with a good reserve imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Unless the points limit goes up for next season I think we'd have to chose between Robert and Stevie for number one build a more strength in depth side with a good reserve imo. I would think there is every chance they both could be away next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted August 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Unless the points limit goes up for next season I think we'd have to chose between Robert and Stevie for number one build a more strength in depth side with a good reserve imo. Easy for me, Stevie, even if the point limit goes up, Stevie and Richie would be my top 2 I would think there is every chance they both could be away next year. Unfortunately, you could well be right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ren Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 I would think there is every chance they both could be away next year. Yeah I wouldn't be surprised at all especially after Stevie's World Cup and pairs performances he won't have done his chances of getting rides in Poland any harm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted August 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Yeah I wouldn't be surprised at all especially after Stevie's World Cup and pairs performances he won't have done his chances of getting rides in Poland any harm Hopefully it'll be like Robert this year, with Poland, and Steve can stay at Newcastle too!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond@heart Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 I can't see either Robert or Stevie staying, personally. I think Robert's was a two year thing from what George said at the meeting when the team was announced. I think a lot will depend on the structure of the league or leagues next year. I think we are heading for a north and south league either next year or in the not too distance future with cup competitions being between northern and southern teams so we see some form of variety. I would love to see both Robert and Stevie back but I can't see it and if we have Stevie and Richie, won't we be in the same boat as this year, having a long tail. We must not forget the Magic Man either, I can't believe that after Newcastle shelled out money for him they are just going to let him sit on the shelf. Is it too early to start a Newcastle 2018 thread!!! :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) I think we are heading for a north and south league either next year or in the not too distance future with cup competitions being between northern and southern teams so we see some form of variety. We've almost got that this year (with the exception of Ipswich in our League and Belle Vue in the Premiership). We are more likely heading towards one league (not next year necessarily, but certainly in a few years time) , but a 'watered down' version to the one we had in 1995 & 1996. If it means bringing on the youngsters to help Team GB and British speedway in general, then it's the only option in my opinion. Edited August 24, 2017 by Steve Park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted August 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 I can't see either Robert or Stevie staying, personally. I think Robert's was a two year thing from what George said at the meeting when the team was announced. I think a lot will depend on the structure of the league or leagues next year. I think we are heading for a north and south league either next year or in the not too distance future with cup competitions being between northern and southern teams so we see some form of variety. I would love to see both Robert and Stevie back but I can't see it and if we have Stevie and Richie, won't we be in the same boat as this year, having a long tail. We must not forget the Magic Man either, I can't believe that after Newcastle shelled out money for him they are just going to let him sit on the shelf. Is it too early to start a Newcastle 2018 thread!!! :o Neither can I, but who knows, no one expected Robert to stay last year... Every year, people say a north south league, I think we just need to wait and see I want to see Steve and Richie, only if the team building limits increase, say to 42.5 or maybe even 45... If it stays at 40, Steve should be a big priority, with the likes of Ludvig, Rose and maybe even Kus backing him up... Well, PL teams have already started We've almost got that this year (with the exception of Ipswich in our League and Belle Vue in the Premiership). We are more likely heading towards one league (not next year necessarily, but certainly in a few years time) , but a 'watered down' version to the one we had in 1995 & 1996. If it means bringing on the youngsters to help Team GB and British speedway in general, then it's the only option in my opinion. I think we focus too much on bringing on youth riders to help team GB and don't focus enough on making entertaining league racing so that clubs can survive and make profits... Just my opinion of course... The PL and CL should be about pure racing with the best riders in the world, and the NL, MDL, NJL and SDL should be about developing young riders... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Neither can I, but who knows, no one expected Robert to stay last year... Every year, people say a north south league, I think we just need to wait and see I want to see Steve and Richie, only if the team building limits increase, say to 42.5 or maybe even 45... If it stays at 40, Steve should be a big priority, with the likes of Ludvig, Rose and maybe even Kus backing him up... Well, PL teams have already started I think we focus too much on bringing on youth riders to help team GB and don't focus enough on making entertaining league racing so that clubs can survive and make profits... Just my opinion of course... The PL and CL should be about pure racing with the best riders in the world, and the NL, MDL, NJL and SDL should be about developing young riders... In a Utopian World you would be right - but - sadly this is not Utopia.................... :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) Don't want to burst your bubble Dandelion but Richie will be a shoe in on a return north of the border next season as long as he wants it.Plenty of choice to partner Steve, or maybe Steve might fancy riding with his twin brother further north now there's a thought . Edited August 24, 2017 by Gazc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrace Grumbler Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Dandelion wrote: "i think we focus too much on bringing on youth riders to help team GB and don't focus enough on making entertaining league racing so that clubs can survive and make profits... Just my opinion of course" Mine as well, Danders me old pal. But I think you'll find that bringing on British talent is a cloak for cutting costs... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Dandelion wrote: "i think we focus too much on bringing on youth riders to help team GB and don't focus enough on making entertaining league racing so that clubs can survive and make profits... Just my opinion of course" Mine as well, Danders me old pal. But I think you'll find that bringing on British talent is a cloak for cutting costs... Tut, Tut!!! :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond@heart Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 We've almost got that this year (with the exception of Ipswich in our League and Belle Vue in the Premiership). We are more likely heading towards one league (not next year necessarily, but certainly in a few years time) , but a 'watered down' version to the one we had in 1995 & 1996. If it means bringing on the youngsters to help Team GB and British speedway in general, then it's the only option in my opinion. I'm sure George said that we did not have enough riders for 1 big league at the announcement meeting, might have been wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Max Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) I'm sure George said that we did not have enough riders for 1 big league at the announcement meeting, might have been wrong. As mentioned earlier, the "one league" will be a watered down version, and you will have plenty of riders if you set the points limit lower, I see a limit of 37-38 with maybe a maximum total for bottom 3 riders of 9-10 This will forced many teams to have new riders at bottom end, will it dilute the product - yes in terms of standard, but not necessarily in terms of entertainment. I can also see a new race format again to have these riders against each other more often. This would reduce costs - hopefully, bring on younger GB talent - hopefully, reduce double up and rider availability issues - definitely! The top riders will be upset as it cuts their earning potential, but those who are good enough need to get teams elsewhere and become the top professionals they claim to be. Don't want to upset Diamonds (Scunthorpe/P'bro/Glasgow) fans but maybe we need to give up Sunday racedays, to allow riders to go to Poland and ride over there aswell!I Sadly Poland is dictating terms across the board and Swedish, Danish and GB leagues are all suffering. Primarily in GB it is the Premier league, but down in the Championship we are getting the backlash, and lets be honest the teams the Premier league are fielding are only just above championship standard! Edited August 25, 2017 by Mad Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Announced at redcar last night first Newcastle match is week on Sunday 3rd sept. Perks is away so rr for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aceslider Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 How about 3 out of these 4 in Diamonds kevlars next season? https://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.33086 (courtesy of Youtube/Rye House) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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