Bagpuss Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 I think the difference is that Rose has potential improvement left in him whereas Lindgren peaked a long time ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 I think the difference is that Rose has potential improvement left in him whereas Lindgren peaked a long time ago. Â I'd certainly agree with the first part of that statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) Lindgren is a lot better rider than Rose, I think that's why people are saying things as they have the same average as Rose has been better than him at home for you's when Lindgren is renowned for his home form, but Lindgren has been better away and that completely evens it up I think the difference is that Rose has potential improvement left in him whereas Lindgren peaked a long time ago. Both fair posts and, it would be hard to draw a line between them. They are a formidable pairing at home, but 'if' there had/was to be a split, I would bare in mind the amount of time that has been spent 'off track' due to injury, unfortunate as it sounds. Edited May 24, 2017 by ruffdiamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 I think the difference is that Rose has potential improvement left in him whereas Lindgren peaked a long time ago. Great Post with which I totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondGlory Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) what we should do is,,, replace him with a rider that is sh!t at home, but good on the road,,, so then the away fans think he's great and the home fans think he's sh!t,,, so not much difference there then We'd just be back to square 1 then hahaha!I'd certainly agree with the first part of that statement. Never have truer words been spoken. Well they have, but you get the gist. Edited May 24, 2017 by DiamondGlory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 I think the difference is that Rose has potential improvement left in him whereas Lindgren peaked a long time ago. ????? Start of season 2015 :- 7.12; 2016:- 7.05; 2017:- 7.69; current :- 8.00. Quite a reduction NOT for some one who peaked a long time ago. His average has never been higher to my knowledge. Maybe he isn't improving as quick as Lewis is at the moment, but I think you'll find Lewis's improvement will slow down when it get's to 8 ish (as they all do). Tom Owen once said of a young Nigel Crabtree "He won't be an overnight sensation, he'll improve a little bit each year, but once he gets there he'll be there for quite a while". How right he was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 ????? Start of season 2015 :- 7.12; 2016:- 7.05; 2017:- 7.69; current :- 8.00. Quite a reduction NOT for some one who peaked a long time ago. His average has never been higher to my knowledge. Maybe he isn't improving as quick as Lewis is at the moment, but I think you'll find Lewis's improvement will slow down when it get's to 8 ish (as they all do). Tom Owen once said of a young Nigel Crabtree "He won't be an overnight sensation, he'll improve a little bit each year, but once he gets there he'll be there for quite a while". How right he was. It is a weaker product now so his average should increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 You're right, we're not bottom, but we're not going to win anything either, imo  I would question that, would they be improved, or would they be so low in confidence it ruins them? As far as I remember, Oliver Greenwood asked Peterborough to drop him when he wasn't performing good enough, and where's he now? Does that put any threat on Newcastle speedway? / Does that mean Sunderland Stars might come back? A good shout for the pairs now. Especially since Robert is available. Excellent chance of the fours. I still think we have a half decent chance in the KO Cup over two legs. As for the league, well I'm not really sure I want to win that. A promotion relegation playoff with (for example) Rye House or Somerset who have by the end of the season decided the premiership is not for them and want to drop back down to the championship. Remember promotion and relegation is COMPULSORY this year. So you could have two teams trying there best NOT to win over two legs. And if we do win promotion it'll be bye bye Newcastle speedway.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 How about Adam Roynon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond@heart Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 How about Adam Roynon? I think the least said about that suggestion the better!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 And if we do win promotion it'll be bye bye Newcastle speedway.. maybe not this time, as there won't, or isn't gonna be a huge gulf between the leagues as in the past. basically, Rye House and Somerset are Championship quality anyway. ????? Start of season 2015 :- 7.12; 2016:- 7.05; 2017:- 7.69; current :- 8.00. Quite a reduction NOT for some one who peaked a long time ago. His average has never been higher to my knowledge. . 'Lightnings' new average, from 28/5/17 is 7.06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted May 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) that would be a like for like change, certainly wouldn't strengthen up the bottom end, neither the top. Well, I agree, I think I'd prefer to see Ludvig in the team anyway, it was just a passing comment more than anything  Lambert doesn't ride in the Ekstraliga. Ahhhhh, does the 'only one other league' rule only count for the top league in Poland? (Not even going to try and spell it out)  I think the difference is that Rose has potential improvement left in him whereas Lindgren peaked a long time ago. Well, doesn't that mean that Ludvig is more of a long term option for us then? Which is better, Lewis will just keep on going up and eventually drop the CL to ride abroad, hopefully, Ludvig will stay for many years to come If of course, he has peaked and doesn't suddenly go crazy, I'd pick our captain over Rose, although it's a VERY VERY hard decision, and I hope they both stay for the next 2 or 3 years at least  A good shout for the pairs now. Especially since Robert is available. Excellent chance of the fours. I still think we have a half decent chance in the KO Cup over two legs. As for the league, well I'm not really sure I want to win that. A promotion relegation playoff with (for example) Rye House or Somerset who have by the end of the season decided the premiership is not for them and want to drop back down to the championship. Remember promotion and relegation is COMPULSORY this year. So you could have two teams trying there best NOT to win over two legs. And if we do win promotion it'll be bye bye Newcastle speedway.. But still... Isn't it just as bad to purposely not win the league just to avoid racing the Promotion relegation thingy?  How about Adam Roynon? This is nearly as bad as most of my suggestions, I admire the dude, how can someone with so many bad injuries keep coming back, but he hates Brough and wants to retire... maybe not this time, as there won't, or isn't gonna be a huge gulf between the leagues as in the past. basically, Rye House and Somerset are Championship quality anyway.  'Lightnings' new average, from 28/5/17 is 7.06 I don't think us being in the Premiership would mean bye bye either, I just don't think we'd do very well in it, bring in Robert, Steve, Rose and Ludvig, and maybe big Bjerre and two others (Maybe Richie and a young reserve?), would be a half decent team, and shouldn't cost TOO much more than what we have now, although, what do I know, the whole club might already be hanging on a thread? But would we have gone in for Robert if it was? I doubt he was cheap... Is Tero Aarnio only on a month contract with Scunthorpe...? Because I see his average is already dropping..... And Ashley's is rising..... Edited May 24, 2017 by Dandelion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) Dont get the Lindgren love in myself, never been a big fan ( and a few others where i stand)...his average has dropped in a weaker league for starters. Yes ok he may produce an outside pass now and again, but hes not really improved in donkeys years but is a shoe in every season!! id personally rather see a better balanced team with reserves that will score a few more points.  Lindgren coles and Hopwood( harsh) out  Allen, carr and zach w in would be my way.... or id offer Shanes money he couldnt turn down from my pocket money😜  Think if we were going to change we would have by now, so all hyperthetical Edited May 24, 2017 by Arson fire 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted May 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Dont get the Lindgren love in myself, never been a big fan ( and a few others where i stand)...his average has dropped in a weaker league for starters. Yes ok he may produce an outside pass now and again, but hes not really improved in donkeys years but is a shoe in every season!! id personally rather see a better balanced team with reserves that will score a few more points.  Lindgren coles and Hopwood( harsh) out  Allen, carr and zach w in would be my way.... or id offer Shanes money he couldnt turn down from my pocket money  Think if we were going to change we would have by now, so all hyperthetical Yes, but it's fun, and interesting to see what people think, maybe changes aren't imminent, but I wouldn't rule out one further down the line still  Maybe if Aarnio's average drops and Morris' stays high  Morris (very harsh I know) and Connor out  Tero and Zach W/Liam Carr in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Yes, but it's fun, and interesting to see what people think, maybe changes aren't imminent, but I wouldn't rule out one further down the line still  Maybe if Aarnio's average drops and Morris' stays high  Morris (very harsh I know) and Connor out  Tero and Zach W/Liam Carr in Aarnio should increase his average big time at reserve in that league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 ????? Start of season 2015 :- 7.12; 2016:- 7.05; 2017:- 7.69; current :- 8.00. Quite a reduction NOT for some one who peaked a long time ago. His average has never been higher to my knowledge. Maybe he isn't improving as quick as Lewis is at the moment, but I think you'll find Lewis's improvement will slow down when it get's to 8 ish (as they all do). Tom Owen once said of a young Nigel Crabtree "He won't be an overnight sensation, he'll improve a little bit each year, but once he gets there he'll be there for quite a while". How right he was. The only average that matters is the one in October which has been earned over a whole season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Well, I agree, I think I'd prefer to see Ludvig in the team anyway, it was just a passing comment more than anything  Ahhhhh, does the 'only one other league' rule only count for the top league in Poland? (Not even going to try and spell it out) Well I wouldn't - but I think you already know that. :nono:  Give me Lewis Rose any day.  I am definitely with Arson Fire on this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 The only average that matters is the one in October which has been earned over a whole season.Think he's dropped .63 in latest greensheets since the starr of the season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) Averages (effective from 28/05/17): Robert 8.70, Stevie 8.47, Ludde 7.06, Lewis 7.06, Ash 5.58, Ben 2.00, Connor 2.00 (Total 40.87) Edited May 24, 2017 by Steve Park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted May 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Aarnio should increase his average big time at reserve in that league Well... He should... But has George had a word with him Haha... Just kidding, averages do strange things sometimes... He's already dropped, and with rolling averages, what else will it do, even if it stayed where it was now, it'd be good  Well I wouldn't - but I think you already know that. :nono:  Give me Lewis Rose any day.  I am definitely with Arson Fire on this one. Well considering I was saying I'd want him instead of Rene But still, I know where you're coming from, you hate him as much as I love him xD It'd be too hard to chose for me, but all I'd think is that Ludvig will stay around longer than Rose, as in Rose will move on to the PL and Ludvig will stay here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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