dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Chris Louis when asked face to face directly and expilicitly what the average of a newcomer would be answered '2'. No pause no quibble no doubt. So Hume Mountain Coles Smith Bacon JPB etc should all be a 2 as well as those who came in on 3 but didnt reach it being on their true average with minimum of 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed ace Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Chris Louis when asked face to face directly and expilicitly what the average of a newcomer would be answered '2'. No pause no quibble no doubt. So Hume Mountain Coles Smith Bacon JPB etc should all be a 2 as well as those who came in on 3 but didnt reach it being on their true average with minimum of 2. Really hope you are correct, with these newcomers, but sure I saw a clarification somewhere from bspa to the contrary. Didn't Hume achieve an average above 2 this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Newcomers are 3.. (JPB,Smith etc) '2 point riders' are rider who have ridden in the PL and not achieved a 3 point average (Bailey, Phillips etc) also they dont drop to 2 they start on the average they attained (think Bailey is 2.05) thats what the BSPA said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 What average did phillips obtain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted November 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) What average did phillips obtain? 1.something I think (NBCMA 1.71 Whatever that means and CMA is 2.14 Whatever that means) I still want to see something like 1. Steve Worrall 8.51 - Strong number 1 2. Ashley Morris 4.83 - Always a trier and probably a strong number 2 in the new league 3. Lewis Rose 5.86 - Would be a good opportunity for him and I think he'd be great, especially at Brough 4. Ludvig Lindgren © 7.65 - Like Lindgren at number 4 as it makes Heat 14 strong 5. Kyle Newman 6.31 - Rides Brough well and I think he's a steal on that average 6. Simon Nielsen 4.66 - Same as Newman apart from the steal bit 7. Danny Phillips 2.00 (2.14) Or Connor Mountain 2.00 if he'd be a 2 point rider - Phillips has a years experience of the PL whereas some newcomers won't plus he knows Brough now, but Mountain would be nice if he's a 2 point rider Team would fit even with Phillip's 2.14 average I don't think Rob Branford, JPB, Tom Bacon, Jack Smith or any of these riders are very realistic although maybe Newman isn't either Edited November 6, 2016 by Dandelion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 1.something I think (NBCMA 1.71 Whatever that means and CMA is 2.14 Whatever that means) I still want to see something like 1. Steve Worrall 8.51 - Strong number 1 2. Ashley Morris 4.83 - Always a trier and probably a strong number 2 in the new league 3. Lewis Rose 5.86 - Would be a good opportunity for him and I think he'd be great, especially at Brough 4. Ludvig Lindgren © 7.65 - Like Lindgren at number 4 as it makes Heat 14 strong 5. Kyle Newman 6.31 - Rides Brough well and I think he's a steal on that average 6. Simon Nielsen 4.66 - Same as Newman apart from the steal bit 7. Danny Phillips 2.00 (2.14) Or Connor Mountain 2.00 if he'd be a 2 point rider - Phillips has a years experience of the PL whereas some newcomers won't plus he knows Brough now, but Mountain would be nice if he's a 2 point rider Team would fit even with Phillip's 2.14 average I don't think Rob Branford, JPB, Tom Bacon, Jack Smith or any of these riders are very realistic although maybe Newman isn't either are the new/final averages out yet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Because teams don't pay the same points money for every rider. Heat leaders earn more per point than second strings and reserves. You don't think Danny Phillips was on the same money as Lambert or Worrall do you? Plus some riders get paid a flat rate regardless of how many points they score. The lower the points limit, the lower the standard of rider you are employing, the less you pay. It can actually work the other way. Suddenly your 6pt second string is now your 3rd heat leader and will want heat leader rates. Especially your low to mid average riders who are going to be in great demand to make teams fit. Each team should pay what it can afford. Every home promotion pays a flat rate points money to the opposing teams riders. If an away team no.1 is on flat rate + £30 per point then the away team promotion pays the £30 not the home team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted November 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) are the new/final averages out yet ? True, although Nielsen's, Newman's and the number 7's averages will be the same Just saying that's about what I want to see I don't know when they come out Edited November 6, 2016 by Dandelion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheviot Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 someone mentioned a reduction for british riders could anyone enlighten me on how or if that would work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 A Talk-in has been arranged. George English will enlighten us to what happened (rules wise!) at the AGM and will answer questions from the floor. http://www.newcastlediamonds.co/home.asp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 when you have had a talk in with george about the rules for the 2017 season , can you pass them on. lots of confusion about the 2/3 point average for 7th riders . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 when you have had a talk in with george about the rules for the 2017 season , can you pass them on. lots of confusion about the 2/3 point average for 7th riders .so you trust George but not Chris then jenga....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 If only...... that would be an excellent way to really give young British youngsters a real opportunity to be included in teams, but unfortunately the interpretation of the rules would suggest that these guys are newcomers and would come in on a 3, only riders who have already got a pl average but has never exceeded 3 would be allowed to use their actual average, or 2 as a minimum. Having EL riders using a converted average makes no sense to me, but looks very like one big league was the plan initially but they took cold feet and done a half arsed job again. To really help young riders progress, I personally believe doubling up should only be permitted between NL and PL, once guys hit the top league in the UK opportunities should be opening up in other countries. Doubling up was originally devised to enable British riders to stay and ride at home for extra meetings, to save them needing to go abroad. Like now, there was a shortage of British riders of a high enough quality to fill our teams, so it helped them and British Speedway. Unfortunatley, the youth schemes/initiatives bringing on and getting team places, has naturally not supplied up and coming riders in sufficient numbers yet, so if we stopped CH/Prem DU's we wouldn't have enough riders to run the leagues. are the new/final averages out yet ? Not yet, but after being accepted at the AGM, the list will be published in the same file. It won't be much different though, as practically all the meetings held were for Cup or Play Offs so don't count toward the averages. so you trust George but not Chris then jenga....... Wouldn't you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Not yet, but after being accepted at the AGM, the list will be published in the same file. It won't be much different though, as practically all the meetings held were for Cup or Play Offs so don't count toward the averages. agree, probly not much change, but what about bringing in an 'old' EL rider on a converted ave ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 agree, probly not much change, but what about bringing in an 'old' EL rider on a converted ave ??? Like KB ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed ace Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Doubling up was originally devised to enable British riders to stay and ride at home for extra meetings, to save them needing to go abroad. Like now, there was a shortage of British riders of a high enough quality to fill our teams, so it helped them and British Speedway. Unfortunatley, the youth schemes/initiatives bringing on and getting team places, has naturally not supplied up and coming riders in sufficient numbers yet, so if we stopped CH/Prem DU's we wouldn't have enough riders to run the leagues. That was then this is now, the quicker British speedway fans realise that Britain can no longer afford to pay riders at the highest level the longer speedway is likely to exist on these shores. We need to become the step by step training ground for British and Commonwealth riders again, and then when they're at the right level move onto countries with stronger leauges to finish the training. Doubling up between the two top leagues makes it more difficult for a rider to come from a lower league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Like KB ? no, I didn't mean 'old' rider, I meant 'old' EL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 no, I didn't mean 'old' rider, I meant 'old' EL Rory Schlein like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 At our dinner/dance last week , when Rene Bach was interviewed and asked about his plans for 2017 he said " if he did start the season in Britain his choice of club would be either Glasgow or Newcastle ". Having , what appears to be , made his goodbye to Glasgow statement on Faceache this afternoon , it would appear he must be strongly in the running to return to Tyneside next season . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Rory Schlein like. no,,, too risky, he's had more sick notes than Jonathan Woodgate, lol (no offence intended) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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