Tsunami Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Like? Last 3 heats were nominations from scores, and with injuries, you had some riders in more than once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 It has to be hoped that the PL isn't affected by the (very necessary) changes the EL decide to make this winter. That said, no club, in any league, can start to plan teams for 2017 until they know the structures of their designated competition, the points limits and (as hinted) the number of riders in their teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 No point in anybody making 2017 plans until the league structures are known. Hope the EL won't force too much change upon PL, but....... Hope not - they are a shambles as regards fixtures, promotion, money, cheating etc etc. A bit worrying........... ...and hopefully they don't go down the lines of not awarding points to the winning team or whatever it was. Artificially creating close scores is utter madness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Hope not - they are a shambles as regards fixtures, promotion, money, cheating etc etc. A bit worrying........... ...and hopefully they don't go down the lines of not awarding points to the winning team or whatever it was. Artificially creating close scores is utter madness. don't look TWK!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted September 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 It has to be hoped that the PL isn't affected by the (very necessary) changes the EL decide to make this winter. That said, no club, in any league, can start to plan teams for 2017 until they know the structures of their designated competition, the points limits and (as hinted) the number of riders in their teams. I know but it's fun to have a guess I like what they do in Sweden when they award a point to the team who's won over an aggregate score for the home and away league meeting if that makes sense, it encourages teams to keep riding to the end to get as many points as possible rather than relaxing once they pull clear of the other team during a meeting Say Newcastle beat Redcar 50-40 at home, but then only got beat 49-41 at Redcar, Newcastle would get an extra league point because they have a better aggregate score over the two meetings, even though it's not a 2 legged event, it just makes every meeting much more competitive, and makes harder away meetings much more interesting because a team could still get a point if they get beaten by 15 as long as they beat that team at home by more than 15, I'm starting to confuse myself, I hope everyone understands 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 I know but it's fun to have a guess I like what they do in Sweden when they award a point to the team who's won over an aggregate score for the home and away league meeting if that makes sense, it encourages teams to keep riding to the end to get as many points as possible rather than relaxing once they pull clear of the other team during a meeting Say Newcastle beat Redcar 50-40 at home, but then only got beat 49-41 at Redcar, Newcastle would get an extra league point because they have a better aggregate score over the two meetings, even though it's not a 2 legged event, it just makes every meeting much more competitive, and makes harder away meetings much more interesting because a team could still get a point if they get beaten by 15 as long as they beat that team at home by more than 15, I'm starting to confuse myself, I hope everyone understands We had that a few years ago, but was ditched for the current system (except it was 2 pts for a home win of 6 or less) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 We had that a few years ago, but was ditched for the current system (except it was 2 pts for a home win of 6 or less) Yes, and the present graduated points system works very well. It was brought in because at the time both Exeter and Sheffield had such massive home advantages, and they nearly always won on aggregate, and in fact I think both won the PL title due only to the aggregate score points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Pretty sure Exeter won it in 2000 without winning a single away match, they just crushed everyone at home. All seven were averaging at least 7 points a meeting. That said, I used to love my trips down to the old country ground. Seeing Wato in full flight there was a joy to watch, and seeing Anders win his first race ever there against Colesy of all riders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted September 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 ok then I see that point Seems like a good idea from one side, but a bad idea from the other side that I didn't think of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 I think the 'new' scoring system is one of speedway's best innovations, just wish they'd left it alone so that home teams have to win by more than six to collect all three points. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 We are now at a stage where Morris Sedgeman Schlien Batchelor even Watt might fancy riding in the PL. If more GP riders opt to give the EL a miss then we have a real dilemma waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted September 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 We are now at a stage where Morris Sedgeman Schlien Batchelor even Watt might fancy riding in the PL. If more GP riders opt to give the EL a miss then we have a real dilemma waiting. Didn't Watt ride for the Diamonds in the past and turn into a flop? I've always quite liked him tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Didn't Watt ride for the Diamonds in the past and turn into a flop? I've always quite liked him tbh 2002. Cost us the League title. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 We are now at a stage where Morris Sedgeman Schlien Batchelor even Watt might fancy riding in the PL. If more GP riders opt to give the EL a miss then we have a real dilemma waiting. As long as they don't pay them over the odds these guys are just looking for easy pickings,Batchelor has not tried leg this season just to manipulate his average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits4eva Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 2002. Cost us the League title. I believe Berwick played a part in that too Agree Dave? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ren Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 As long as they don't pay them over the odds these guys are just looking for easy pickings,Batchelor has not tried leg this season just to manipulate his average. Didn't Bridger say in the SS a few weeks back he'd be interested in doubling up too? How's this going to work then would they go down the Swedish route and let the top boys ride in the top two leagues? Personally I don't think much needs changing at PL level it's the EL where more problems are 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Didn't Bridger say in the SS a few weeks back he'd be interested in doubling up too? How's this going to work then would they go down the Swedish route and let the top boys ride in the top two leagues? Personally I don't think much needs changing at PL level it's the EL where more problems are IMO the PL needs to promote riders from NL route don't get caught up in paying riders trying to prolong their career and supplement their earnings .The crowds don't justify it IMO .Pay young riders a realistic pay rate the entertainment will be as good if not better.At least they will be avialable for meetings not riding abroad. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Didn't Bridger say in the SS a few weeks back he'd be interested in doubling up too? How's this going to work then would they go down the Swedish route and let the top boys ride in the top two leagues? Personally I don't think much needs changing at PL level it's the EL where more problems are When the EL changes that normally filters down to the PL in some description. Seeing the likes of Bridger, Harris, Nicholls etc would suit them financially and raise the standard in the PL which is not what is needed IMO, if our younger better are to progress they need to get contracts in leagues abroad and get out of the comfort zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ren Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 IMO the PL needs to promote riders from NL route don't get caught up in paying riders trying to prolong their career and supplement their earnings .The crowds don't justify it IMO .Pay young riders a realistic pay rate the entertainment will be as good if not better.At least they will be avialable for meetings not riding abroad. Yeah definitely I think the NL standard 3 pointer at reserve has been a decent idea but they've got to stick at it not bin it at the end of the season. It's the only way the younger riders will progress riding against better standard of riders. Hope the PL doesn't follow the EL draft system and have protected races that's pointless IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnstormer Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) I think there is a good chance that it will be 6 man teams next season. No idea what the combined average per team will be and whether they continue with an NL 3 pointer at number 6 and, say, a supplementary reserve at no.5 (or wherever in the team), remains to be seen. Very little appears to be coming out of the practice matches held at King's Lynn, so really, once again, we have no idea what's going on
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